This guy is a con dont trust jayss10
11-13-2011, 02:56 PM
#31
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roller or complete , if you don't own it , shoudnt take any money .
Deals fall through , givethe money back ... still leaves bad feelings for reasons like , did he find someone to pay more or , and ..... jus not a good idea/practice
Deals fall through , givethe money back ... still leaves bad feelings for reasons like , did he find someone to pay more or , and ..... jus not a good idea/practice
11-13-2011, 03:25 PM
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if you advertise a car, make sure you know what it is for sure. also if you advertise it, own it or wait to sell it until you do.
11-13-2011, 04:09 PM
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Folks:
Suppose Junky was trying to make a deal with another trader named ToTrade? Suppose the deal fell through and jayss10 made the deal. Suppose that Junky contacted jay to see whether he would deal the car as a runner or a roller.
Why cant they discuss price at this time? They are trying to put a deal together. They agree on a price. Jay tells him he will need a deposit before he pulls the motor when he gets the car.
Where are the legal issues here? Many transactions are negotiated on a contingency basis. Also if Junky sent him a deposit, can't it be considered that he is purchasing an option on the car? Right of refusal? Dollars exchanged to be first in line? jay can sell him a place in line if thats what they agree to.
If Jay said I want $500 as deposit and when I get this car I will pull the motor and sell the body to you for $15k, then thats the agreement. If jay doesnt get the car- deal void deposit returned. If Jay doesnt pull motor - deal void deposit returned. But if they have an agreement that is negotiated and its honored how is that illegal? Negotiated terms have to be honored.
The point is that they didnt agree to terms, so there was no deal. No money changed hands. How is this a scamdeal between jay and Junky?
Junky I am still interested in the timeline.
I think they were putting terms together once Jay obtained the car and thats not illegal.
Scorp
Suppose Junky was trying to make a deal with another trader named ToTrade? Suppose the deal fell through and jayss10 made the deal. Suppose that Junky contacted jay to see whether he would deal the car as a runner or a roller.
Why cant they discuss price at this time? They are trying to put a deal together. They agree on a price. Jay tells him he will need a deposit before he pulls the motor when he gets the car.
Where are the legal issues here? Many transactions are negotiated on a contingency basis. Also if Junky sent him a deposit, can't it be considered that he is purchasing an option on the car? Right of refusal? Dollars exchanged to be first in line? jay can sell him a place in line if thats what they agree to.
If Jay said I want $500 as deposit and when I get this car I will pull the motor and sell the body to you for $15k, then thats the agreement. If jay doesnt get the car- deal void deposit returned. If Jay doesnt pull motor - deal void deposit returned. But if they have an agreement that is negotiated and its honored how is that illegal? Negotiated terms have to be honored.
The point is that they didnt agree to terms, so there was no deal. No money changed hands. How is this a scamdeal between jay and Junky?
Junky I am still interested in the timeline.
I think they were putting terms together once Jay obtained the car and thats not illegal.
Scorp
11-13-2011, 04:29 PM
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Bjuice hit the nail on the head!
As far as owning the car before you post it, sounds like jay knew he would have the car in his possession.
I had a guy i knew with a bussa and wanted to sell it to me but i dont ride bikes so i called a friend and made $1.000.00 on the deal and never had the bike in my possession. The bike was sold cheap and a win win for every one. The guy sold his bike and i made a g and my buddy sold it made out too.
I have seen deals like this happen and eveybody gets what they want with no problems.
As far as owning the car before you post it, sounds like jay knew he would have the car in his possession.
I had a guy i knew with a bussa and wanted to sell it to me but i dont ride bikes so i called a friend and made $1.000.00 on the deal and never had the bike in my possession. The bike was sold cheap and a win win for every one. The guy sold his bike and i made a g and my buddy sold it made out too.
I have seen deals like this happen and eveybody gets what they want with no problems.
11-13-2011, 05:55 PM
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Ok Mr Scorp and everyone else who is following this.
I was contacted on the 14th he asked for money the 15th.I felt uncomfortable with that so I told him when he had the car in his possession I would send a driver to pick it up that day ,So he asked for a deposit a week before he had the car.
I was contacted the 17th 18th 19th 20th then Jay said he wanted to maybe keep the car and race it then on the 26th 27th 28th 29th 30th he said he decided to sell it so he contacted me again. well I purchased another car already. So I offered 15000 for a rolling chassis and he said no. I offered to send my driver to his door and help him remove the motor hand him cash and he said no. So I let it go.
A few days latter I contacted Trade. I asked if he knew of anyone selling a roller for my needs he asked what happened to the deal with jay and I explained what had transpired. He said he had just received a phone call from a company working on the chevelle and explained what had happened to him. but again that is none of my business So I hope this helps I could give you exact times
I could also post the exact conversations but again its not my point. I was just upset because I have never heard of anyone asking for money before they had possession of a vehicle and that is my complaint.
Jay may be a great person and I just had a bad business dealing with him but that's all it takes.
I was contacted on the 14th he asked for money the 15th.I felt uncomfortable with that so I told him when he had the car in his possession I would send a driver to pick it up that day ,So he asked for a deposit a week before he had the car.
I was contacted the 17th 18th 19th 20th then Jay said he wanted to maybe keep the car and race it then on the 26th 27th 28th 29th 30th he said he decided to sell it so he contacted me again. well I purchased another car already. So I offered 15000 for a rolling chassis and he said no. I offered to send my driver to his door and help him remove the motor hand him cash and he said no. So I let it go.
A few days latter I contacted Trade. I asked if he knew of anyone selling a roller for my needs he asked what happened to the deal with jay and I explained what had transpired. He said he had just received a phone call from a company working on the chevelle and explained what had happened to him. but again that is none of my business So I hope this helps I could give you exact times
I could also post the exact conversations but again its not my point. I was just upset because I have never heard of anyone asking for money before they had possession of a vehicle and that is my complaint.
Jay may be a great person and I just had a bad business dealing with him but that's all it takes.
11-13-2011, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Saltflatjunky
Well I see this has caused some ramblings.
Ok the SS has nothing to with me so I will stay out of that deal.But I will say this when someones ad clearly says I have a clean SS chevelle big block blah blah blah and you sell it as an SS not a clone that is a felony it is called deception of a vehicle. I called Colorado Utah and Jays state of Indiana. I asked my neighbor who is a Utah trooper and he agrees as well. In m eyes you dont tell someone I ran the numbers and this is a real SS and I have paper work to prove it! Now those statements incriminate Jay. If any of you did a deal and found out latter you had been duped you would be upset. But again it has nothing to do with me but I know what I would do if I was on the bad end of that deal.
Now back to this deal. In my opinion You dont offer a roller for sale that is not a roller.That is just silly I had a driver ready to go at anytime.
He emailed me and asked for money a week before he had the car in his possession
This is old sorry to give my opinion I did not get the car I honestly would have if this would not have happened. I would not ask for a deposit sorry that is just me. If someone shakes my hand and says a deal is done then I think the deal is done. But I would never ask for a deposit on car that is in someones garage and not my own.
Ok the SS has nothing to with me so I will stay out of that deal.But I will say this when someones ad clearly says I have a clean SS chevelle big block blah blah blah and you sell it as an SS not a clone that is a felony it is called deception of a vehicle. I called Colorado Utah and Jays state of Indiana. I asked my neighbor who is a Utah trooper and he agrees as well. In m eyes you dont tell someone I ran the numbers and this is a real SS and I have paper work to prove it! Now those statements incriminate Jay. If any of you did a deal and found out latter you had been duped you would be upset. But again it has nothing to do with me but I know what I would do if I was on the bad end of that deal.
Now back to this deal. In my opinion You dont offer a roller for sale that is not a roller.That is just silly I had a driver ready to go at anytime.
He emailed me and asked for money a week before he had the car in his possession
This is old sorry to give my opinion I did not get the car I honestly would have if this would not have happened. I would not ask for a deposit sorry that is just me. If someone shakes my hand and says a deal is done then I think the deal is done. But I would never ask for a deposit on car that is in someones garage and not my own.
you say ss had nothing to do with you but its been your topic of discussion since your very first post!now.... you made 8 posts in all and i didnt see any other car mentioned (except the SS.. which you said han nothing to do with you) so .... what damn car were you trying to get that you feel you needed to post this topic here?
11-13-2011, 06:23 PM
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Wow so again, Jay and Trade were doing a trade. jays chevelle and trades Buick. Jay tried to sell me the buick before he had it in his possession or before he knew if the trade was even done. Jay was in Indiana and trade was in colorado So Jay did not know if the trade was even done and at the time it never happened. So a week latter they did a trade. buick for the chevelle.
11-13-2011, 07:29 PM
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I MAY BE DUMB BUT I STILL DO NOT SEE A SCAM HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11-14-2011, 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by gmanxss
I MAY BE DUMB BUT I STILL DO NOT SEE A SCAM HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no one intented to scam . 3 way deal , that didnt happen .
At anytime , one of the sellers could change their mind a no deal .
looks like one did change his mind and wanted tio use the car , that's happen when in his hands
nothing wrong taking a deposit , when you own the item . What could go wrong with a deal like this ? what if the car was damaged during transport ? what legal action could be taken from the 3rd party that had a deposit on a now wreak car ? I dont know , wait and there be no need to find out
11-14-2011, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Saltflatjunky
Ok Mr Scorp and everyone else who is following this.
I was contacted on the 14th he asked for money the 15th.I felt uncomfortable with that so I told him when he had the car in his possession I would send a driver to pick it up that day ,So he asked for a deposit a week before he had the car.
I was contacted the 17th 18th 19th 20th then Jay said he wanted to maybe keep the car and race it then on the 26th 27th 28th 29th 30th he said he decided to sell it so he contacted me again. well I purchased another car already. So I offered 15000 for a rolling chassis and he said no. I offered to send my driver to his door and help him remove the motor hand him cash and he said no. So I let it go.
A few days latter I contacted Trade. I asked if he knew of anyone selling a roller for my needs he asked what happened to the deal with jay and I explained what had transpired. He said he had just received a phone call from a company working on the chevelle and explained what had happened to him. but again that is none of my business So I hope this helps I could give you exact times
I could also post the exact conversations but again its not my point. I was just upset because I have never heard of anyone asking for money before they had possession of a vehicle and that is my complaint.
Jay may be a great person and I just had a bad business dealing with him but that's all it takes.
I was contacted on the 14th he asked for money the 15th.I felt uncomfortable with that so I told him when he had the car in his possession I would send a driver to pick it up that day ,So he asked for a deposit a week before he had the car.
I was contacted the 17th 18th 19th 20th then Jay said he wanted to maybe keep the car and race it then on the 26th 27th 28th 29th 30th he said he decided to sell it so he contacted me again. well I purchased another car already. So I offered 15000 for a rolling chassis and he said no. I offered to send my driver to his door and help him remove the motor hand him cash and he said no. So I let it go.
A few days latter I contacted Trade. I asked if he knew of anyone selling a roller for my needs he asked what happened to the deal with jay and I explained what had transpired. He said he had just received a phone call from a company working on the chevelle and explained what had happened to him. but again that is none of my business So I hope this helps I could give you exact times
I could also post the exact conversations but again its not my point. I was just upset because I have never heard of anyone asking for money before they had possession of a vehicle and that is my complaint.
Jay may be a great person and I just had a bad business dealing with him but that's all it takes.
So you feel that you had to put in the very first line of your very first post "This young man jayss10 is a scam artist" :?:
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