Scorpion1110

Dwight- you owe Fogger $3320. Pretty simple- no excuses.

He was directly debited by Paypal, amount went to your Paypal account, you withdrew it and then Paypal couldnt charge you back. You likely closed your account after.

He could not dispute a CC since it wasnt used. And btw, even if he did- your deal was through Paypal, so how he paid theoretically wasnt relevant- if he had gotten it twice; that was the CC's issue to go after him not yours.

You owe him and you will lose in court-

Fogger:

Using the Paypal transaction ID or pulling the statement the bank sent you while you were a customer and this transaction occurred, use the picture posting instructions under general discussion on this site. Post that report for back-up documentation.

Dwight pay him - you owe him $3320 plus interest- no question.

dragonmaster093

ok been seeing this go on for some time made a couple coments seems to some degree i was wrong heres my opinion if twin collected back from bank and bank got it from paypal then kentucky speed gives money to paypal if proven that money never returned by bank and proven so then i concur with scorp and pay the man and some interest but in my opinion until proof by both parties is given up then gonna go on forever as on big pissing match

TwinFoggerSBC

What more proof do I need? Kyspeedparts said he has my money. He said he never refunded me or sent the parts. What else do I need to do? Dwight knows he owe me $3320. Dwight has already said that he closed his Paypal acct and that he deposited my money into his acct. Pretty cut and dry. This happened in June. He has $3320 of mine. He has already said that.

dragonmaster093

call me old fashion but i like hard prrof bank statements corrisondence with bank on out come ect. and if you are proven right by hard evedence i will be here personally saying sorry and eating crow for making a mistake

TwinFoggerSBC

I filed a dispute with Paypal, not my bank. I never contacted them about this transaction. They called me right when I did the transaction so they could verify it was me that authorized this transaction. Once I authorized it I could never dispute it. I authorized the charge. They wouldn't release the funds to Paypal til after they talked to me. Dwight knows this because I contacted him after they called me. And he confirmed that he had the money and everything was cool yet he never sent the parts. I then called him and he gave me his word it could go out in the morning. Never showed up, I filed a dispute with Paypal and didn't get a dime back as you can see from the email I received from Paypal because Kyspeedparts had already stolen the money by depositing it into his acct as he also confirmed on here. Kyspeedparts said he has my money. He claims its an on going dispute going with Paypal that's apparently has been going on since June. Call me old fasion but that sounds like BS to me. It hasn't stopped him from doing business with Paypal and continuing to use it to run his business.

kyspeedparts

Your debit card works just like a regular cc. You can dispute payments with it the same way. I know your lying about not disputing the first charges because the card was tied to an apartment address. It was disputed as soon as you recieved the parts, but I'm not even going to dwell on that. If you give me a little time here, I will have an answer from PayPal. I'm not and havn't avoided any answers and think I have covered everything for you fogger.

slowmotion

Sounds like ky owes $3320 to paypal. Paypal would in return pay you. That way is is processed back exactly the way ky recieved it. Paypal would then show it was taken care of and not have it hanging out there forever as unresolved.

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blownalky3

Dwight
You owe the man his money. I know exactly how you pulled this off because I do the same with all my paypal stuff. I remove money from my paypal only bank account so it can't be hacked and me lose all that is in that account. You move money the same, except for maybe a different purpose than I. It has become real clear here you owe the guy and you are just getting deeper and deeper. If you pay him his money I am sure he will contact paypal and dismiss this claim therefor you won't be paying twice. After all, you have this thread of 300 messages to verify your side if he does what you already did, SCAM THE SYSTEM. You are nuts if you think anybody believes you don't remember stealing $3320 from someone you assumed had bad intentions. He paid the first time AND THE SECOND TIME.

NOW PAY THE MAN AND MAKE THIS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kyspeedparts

Everyone, I just got off the phone with PayPal. I spoke with a representative named Leanna, employee id # 41853. She tells me exactly what I have told everyone...twinfoggersbc did file a dispute with his bank, his bank in turn filed a dispute with PayPal. PayPal in turn tried to pull the money back out of our account but there was a zero balance. Therefore they had no choice but to pay back the the cc company the 3320.00 he spent because he did not recieve any merchandise. He is a liar and a thief and I want an appology from him. I am including an e-mail attatchment that I just recieved back from PayPal stating that his money was refunded to him. Whether I owe PayPal or not is not the issue, the issue is that this guy is trying to give my business a bad name. He is the liar and the crook. I have been working with PayPal to pay them back and have not taken a PayPal payment probably since June of last year. Please read this carefully. Thanks to everyone for your support.

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Hello Dwight Workman,

As you know, we have been using the information you provided to dispute a
chargeback filed against the transaction detailed below. Despite our best
efforts, the buyer's credit card company decided in favor of the buyer.

Unfortunately, we do not control the outcome of the chargeback decision
reached by the buyer's issuing bank in a credit card transaction. By
accepting the terms of the PayPal User Agreement, you agreed to accept the
decision of the issuing bank as final and legally binding for this type of
dispute.

Please review the information below for more details about this case.

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Buyer's name: J Harper
Buyer's email: [email protected]
Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Case #: PP-732-695-982
Your transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V


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We encourage you to contact the buyer directly to try to resolve the matter
or to recover your merchandise.

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
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Scorpion1110

Slow- Dead on.

KySpeed owes $3320 to Fogger. What Fogger may have done with his bank is NOT RELEVANT and Debit cards DO NOT work like CC's. Sorry KYSpeed that argument doesnt float.

1) Fogger authorized paypal to disburse funds to KY Speed, he received them.
2) KySpeed does one of two things 1) ships item, or 2) refunds money.
3) He did neither by his own admission.

Dwight you know as soon as he authorized paypal to pay you, the money was pulled from his account- thats how it works.

So heres your questions dwight:

1) Did you get $3320 from Fogger? (Yes or No)
2) Did you ship an item? (yes or no)
3) Did you withdraw $3320 from your paypal account? (yes or no)

If you didnt ship the item and if you didnt return the cash, then when fogger gets you in court the judge is going to take a little bite out of your hiney.

BTW if you got the money through paypal, then what difference does it make what he does with his bank? You already have the cash and you didnt ship anything. When you put it back in your account then paypal reclaims it and sends it back to him.

youre not dealing with a credit card company - he cant dispute it with them and if he does then they go after Paypal- not you- and paypal wont have anything to take out of your account.

Pretty slick Dwight