Tom Jones AKA Tomsrods is a scammer
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Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
HERE IS OUR CONVERSATION ON RJ PRIOR TO MY SCAMMER POSTING. SORRY FOR BORING YOU. I AM PRACTICALLY DONE WITH THIS POST. I WILL BE FILING THE COMPLAINT WITH (IC3).
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From: tomsrod To: SUPERBARTMAN Date: 2011-01-21 16:53:10
Subject: Re: MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 TRACTOR
Re: Ad #2066300 - MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 TRACTOR
idc what you have to say, i put my big boy pants on when i trade and dont cry. man up bart you knew this wasnt a street legal car, wheres my car you talked about in your ads that you had online forever, wheres my street legal tires, exhaust,lights and my uncut car bart? where? over 5k total to make it what you say in your ad, tell me bart tell me. you have no balls about ya you just try to pray on other people without money so you think, that you think you could scare to pay you extra for nothing. my ads, the words i wrote is all lagit yours is not. you are full of shit about people saying anything because i have been out of trading until me and you did. that was the first one in a yr.i have made more deals in one yr then you have a life time, most of the time with the same people. i have traded 9 cars in a month before and 3 times to the same person. idc what you get your friends to say either, you see bart i have true friends that i deal with alot, not people i look to make bad deals and cry about.nobody cares what you think, they all know me bart. just like rj deleted yr ad about me. who do you think you was to try and do that, your a nobody dude and chris at rj knows it also thats the reason it didnt last. nor will any other. as a matter of fact after your threats i should have you perm removed from this site. i still have all of them on hear. all i have to do is tell chris to do it and he will pull up ur messages to me and remove your ass for doing it. you cant do shit like that over you making a trade that your not happy with. you wait until i fix the car up better than you had it then talk shit and tell me what i owe you. u have to be insane after the money ive spent on the 66 fixing stuff that you said was NOT TRUE to pay you on something you broke. GET OVER IT!!!
On [2011-01-21 16:32:48] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> I won't mention any names but several people have come forward that you have scammed or tried to scam. There will be a whole lot more.
>
> On [2011-01-21 16:11:52] tomsrod wrote:
> > 1966 CHEVY 2 STOCK AFTERMARKET SUSPENSION 2 DOOR POST
> > Street Legal With Title! UNCUT! FACTORY DASH AND SHIFTER! NICE!
> >
> > Everything in this car is new. It has garage time only on it and has not been raced yet. I have owned this car for over 20 years.
> >
> > All original sheet metal in excellent cond. Car has all the original type excellent glass, door panels, factory dash, headliner and new carpet. The switches and wiring are all painless , Ignition is MSD with a 6 Al box. The Tach. is a large 5 in. Mallory with memory and shift lite. Gauges are Summit and in a Summit box. The cage is an 8 point mild steel and car has one race seat and RHS race belts. Interior floor is all steel, nice and carpeted.
> >
> > The hood is a custom built fiberglass race 6 in cowl induction with czus fasteners and front pins.
> >
> >
> > Engine is all forged new HBR Performance 355 cu. with 1/2 epoxy pour, street or strip, 4 bolt main, line bored, deburred, "0" ringed, copper head gaskets,forged steel crank, crank scraper, 4340 forged rods, forged pistons, chrome moly rings, race bearings, hv oil pump, true roller timing chain. Engine was internally balanced and blueprinted. Block has been screened and restricters installed. The cam is a Chet Herbert special grind for this car, 623 lift roller cam and roller lifters, cam button, Edelbrock Victor Tall intake ported and polished, heads are Bowtie 461X ported and polished, 202 stainless valves with chrome moly locks and retainers, roller rockers and stud girdles. Water pump is new and electric, aluminum fabricated valve covers on it now. Radiator is new. New electric fan on the radiator.
> >
> > Fuel system has a fuel cell and is all Holley with braided line to a brand new Holley regulator and 750 Holley race carb.
> >
> > Trans. is a Powerglide Performance race glide, kevlar clutches etc with Coan 4500 converter and hardened race shaft and linelock.
> >
> > Rearend is a 9 inch Ford with 456 gears and all Strange internals and axles. Car sits on tweaked stock type aftermarket suspension and nothing has been cut. Slicks are new Goodyear and Frontrunners are new MT. Crager ProStars are new.
> >
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> >
> > This car can be driven on the street, raced or show it.
> >
> > You have to see and hear this car to believe it.
> >
> >
> > this is your old ad bart word for word. i told you i had it. now do you really want to do this buddy?
> > tires alone to make this car street legal would be 1k. the tires on it states not for street use lie # 1
> > uncut all orig lie #2 the cost for replacement on this could be 1 to 2k bart to have fixed.
> > shifter is not orig it is a b&m lie #4
> > i do believe this would be fraud ol buddy.
> > watch how you word things. but i would gladly accept the amount owed to me on my behalf for the things it cost to make them the way you stated, and i would knock off the portion you say i owe from that. would you like to know my mailing address and have copies of the recipts when all complete. my attourney is hoping so, it will make things alot easier if thats what you want. so go look back at your deleted ads and see if this isnt what you stated street legal? bullshit! uncut bullshit! if you test me anymore or bother me i will show you some laws you may want to brush up on from your recent studies 2 yrs ago! im not playing or bullshiting or lying either. now that you may be able to see clearly i'll let it rest.
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> > # 3 lie fuel cell and braided lines is not holley
> > On [2011-01-21 14:59:28] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > You are such a liar. A lot of people are coming forward now that you have scammed and or tried to scam. Your ad's are fraud. You will see. Even the ones on the Chevy 11 that you deleted are false and lies. You know what you did and so do I. You can't still be a man about it and do the right thing. You don't know anything about tractors and operation, remember. Even if it was a mistake and lack of knowledge on your part you could have made it right. It is obvious from the damage and wear on the shaft that the damage has been done for some time.
> > >
> > > On [2011-01-21 14:35:45] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > if its bull then try and test me Bart. by the way what you did earlier was against the law man. you cannot slander nor make false accusations towards another person on a personal ad and if you new the law as you stated you should know that one as well. there is a place for that kinda stuff in the forum but it is illegal to do so in your own personal ad. strike # two bart!by the way ive talked with legal counsel today as well and he laughed and said it sounded like regaurdless of pics,posting's or the weather (day/night/rain/shine) that you had ampel time to decide to make a deal or not and you had seen the tractor in your own person and inspected the tractor as well yourself. you contacted me aswell,you wanted the deal worse than me for as many times you had contacted me from phone and rj. point in fact no case towards me on any grounds it was your own neglegance that has brought you here to this point. as i said before be careful of what you say about me and how you do it bart. rj has already removed your ad for inproper posting of a person. this site is for sale / trade items only, there is a forum and people is waiting for your coments there.
> > > >
> > > > ps. the moment i told you as you say that i did not know to much about the tractor why on earth would you not want to look it up down sideways and under? i did not make you rush, i tried to get you to operate it, i made every effort possible for your behalf on this trade bart in trying to get you to do so. i dont understand how you can put your own faults on me if you say it was broke in the first place. its because you know better and that it was working fine at the point of del. there is no mech. that can say forsure when it happened he can just give a friend a personal opion. are you sure you didnt gam the gears youself? i dont know, whatever i guess.
> > > >
> > > > On [2011-01-21 14:01:22] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > Same old bull. You know what you did. You committed fraud to dumpa broken down tractor on me. I'm done! Your own ad's say everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > On [2011-01-21 12:31:47] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > Bart, i really hate the way this has turned out, truely i do. if all you are worried about is a picture then something is wrong anyway, the very last ad that i posted of the tractor was on dec 30th and you called me and said "i see you still have your tractor and you put it back on line" that same ad even had more pics and looked better than the last ad. i never said anything to you of getting a backhoe with it and i stated everything on or about the tractor as well as i know.i didnt say i couldnt operate the tractor i just said i wasnt that familiar with it. you have to look at all of this threw my eyes. 1st. you kept contacting me about a trade! 2nd. i would not have even loaded the thing up and drove 4 or 5 hrs to your house knowing anything was broke on it, because if it was me i wouldnt trade on something broken unless i wanted it and was aware of it. 3rd. you looked at the tractor up close and personal you liked the tractor, the only thing you asked about was the tires being scuffed up on top the tread, you make excuses saying it was late rainy and cold, that never stopped us from pulling the engine for 3 hrs inside your garage where there was plenty of room to inspect all you wanted. i asked you to run and operate it didnt i and you refused to do so but you did hear it run and seen it being moved without any noise at all coming from it! 4th. if you traded a car and while driving it home it broke down would you be saying you got ripped off also? when i make a deal i look at what im getting when i see it in person because 90% of the time pics do not tell what it is it just gives you an ideal of it. i know your not a simple man and can tell what you are getting when you see it! you would not pay either if you was in my shoes nor would any other human being on this planet, you called me 2 days later and told me it was broke and asked if i would help you out all i said was call me and let me know something but i had time to think about it and i could not do that that long after the fact. i dont know you you dont know me! anything couldve happened and you know it so dont try and play me for a fool. i dont know what youve done or couldve done to the tractor all i know is it was working just fine when i del it and you know it or you wouldnt have traded!dont blame me for your lack of inspection and try to come up with excuses it is just one of those things that happen sometimes, somebody trades and a couple days later it tears up and the person gets upset wanting to put the blame elseware. im not a bad person, nor do i ever try to rip someone off, i have traded with over 200 cars just off rj in the past 3 yrs even trade deals. i have meet alot of people without ever having any complaints, also i prob would have helped you out if i felt i was in the wrong but for some gut reeason i dont feel that way and you have the nerve to text me on rj and demand 1055 cash asap? and try to threaten me and my family? i think i will deal with my gut after that one. i think i will be ok bart, you do what you feel you need to do or say just be careful of how you say it tho and remember i am and still remain a officer of the federal gov. and you are aware of this. just to let you know department of transportaion and forigen trades "Captain". you wouldnt want to slander or threaten my family to bad Bart, and im not trying to scare you either just telling you to watch how you speak of me or my family got it! if you read up on laws and study them you will know what im talking about and i know you know this is true! also i have pleanty of friends on rj to back me up on a deal like this one and you know down deep what is going to happen as soon as you start. so do what you want to deal or feel you have or need to do. thanks for your time and wasting mine. tom
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> > > > > > On [2011-01-21 08:37:19] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > You can talk and lie until you are blue in the face but the fact still remains that the tractor you advertised and the one I thought I was trading to was not yours but belonged to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany NY. That is FRAUD. I guess you have NO shame, ethics or morals either. Most crooks don't. Everyone will know what you did and you can't lie out of your own false advertising and fradulent ad's. No one will trade with you anymore. I will pay for the broken tractor repair that you switched on me but everyone will know. Shame!
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> > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 23:31:22] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > ok thanks tom.
> > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:56:31] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I don't text. More proof that you tried to cover up your fraud. I have every ad you ever ran in my files now. It's your ass and jail, that is all. I really hate to see you put your family through this. They are really nice and deserve better. I liked Johnny too. I knew there was a problem with you though. Things just didn't match up. After tomorrow the money for the repairs will be irrelevent and second nature.
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> > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:49:09] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > my last post on tractor was on december 30th, i have proof ad 2083782, it was this ad you contacted me about a trade it on jan 1 about the same ad, we traded that night, and aso texted me on this same number on racing junk, so you stop studering and lien and be a man. thanks tom [2011-01-20 22:25:49] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > When am I going to get that nice tractor in the picture? You know the one you don't own.
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> > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:12:26] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Also here is the ad of the last ad i posted on tractor 2083782. Thats when you contacted me.You called me and said i see you got your tractor back online i have the hole conversation recorded on answer machine, so do not threated me my family or anyone i know. Do what you have to do, You waited 2 days anything could have happened and by the way your talking it did, I had a picture a massey ferguson tractor, I stated what I had for sale or trade, everything in my statments were true, there was no fraud commited. thanks tom[2011-01-20 21:49:07
> > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:03:42] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dumb ass, THIS IS NOT YOUR TRACTOR. Take another look. I know you wanted it to be that is why you used someone else's tractor in your ad. FRAUD! NOT YOUR TRACTOR. FRAUD! You can't lie out of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was the top of my law clsses in college and I took classes until just a few years ago. Tomorrow it all begins and the money is irrelivant. You asked for it!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:49:07] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no sir, you quit acting like a child.I never commited no fraud, and what your talking about is slander, read up on the laws. i never said no such thing about a guarantee a warranty or money back, im not asking for money back for my loss i suggest you do the same thank you. tom
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:29:23] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the last time I am asking you tom, just pay the stupid bill. If not you will start getting contacts tomorrow about the fraud you committed. The bill will be irrelevant at that point and I will see that you pay for what you did. Just do it and quit fabricatin more lying shit. You are running out of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 20:33:48] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You told me paint was about year old, you said that, so so much right for your word and it was not raining at time we unloaded tractor, and you did not give me nothing, i received a car without motor or trany, so you did not give me nothing and everything was as is in deal but you did say car was street legal and all lights worked and they did not and i did not misrepresent nothing, as for tires you looked at them yourselve, you looked at tractor you should said this then not now. thanks tom
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 17:36:03] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In regard to the Chevy 11, the only holes in the lower firewall that I knew about was a couple where the MSD box was mounted. So you had to put a plug or couple of wires on the headlights. That is not a big deal. The brakes were disc brakes on the rear. Yes they were tight from sitting that is all. I restored the car 10 years ago and yes i painted it too. I did all the restoration myself. I think the car is great to be 45 years old and so do you. We both know what happened with the tractor and especially you know it. Not only is it misrepresentation it is fraud to advertise someone else's tractor then deliver a different one. That is what happened here.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need you to help pay for the tractor bill. You need to do the right thing. Let me know. My address is Bart Johnson 1357 Skelton Bluff Rd. Kingsport, Tn.37660
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 14:34:28] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never did neg with a warranty or gaurentee on either side, and i never said i would pay a total bill. You used the tractor for 2 days and then called me at end of second day of using it and ask to help you a little and all I said was to call, nothing more. The night I delivered the tractor there was nothing wrong to my knowledge when I delivered to you, I told you to operate it and drive it and you refused there was no whinning or anything noticable at the time, also I would not have delivered it on a 4 hr trip if knowing something was wrong with it, the place i bought tractor from has been in buisness for 50 years and there was nothing wrong then. Put yourself in my shoes for a min. you told me the lights work and they did not, they was not even hooked up also you said the rearend was breaks and was not, there was holes at the bottom of the firewall that had to be fixed also Think of money I have already spent to get these things fix, trust me its been well over 1000.00 . Also, You have not heard me complain or ask for a dime to get these things fixed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 10:52:13] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It took me a couple of weeks to get the 4 wheel drive unit and trans pulled apart on the tractor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were broken bearing parts and gear parts in the bottom of the case and the shaft was worn from operation of the tractor for a long time with a broken bearings and gears floating around. 2 gears were badly damaged on the 4 wheel drive shaft. The shaft and gears are encased in a bath of oil and It takes a long time to wear on the shaft under these conditions. We know it was already done when I got the tractor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tractor dealer doing the repair is Eaton and Son Tractors and Repain in Blountville Tn. and the chief mechanic and owner is Melvin Eaton. Feel free to call him at 423-323-4902 if you have any questions. He has been in the tractor business and repair for 32 years.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current bill is $795 parts and $260 Labor if they don't have to completely remove and dissemble the transmission to get the shaft out. They are not sure what it will take to get the shaft out to replace it. The total current bull is $1055. You said you didn't know that the tractor was broken when you brought it to me. This being the case the right thing to do would be to cover the repair expense of $1055 as I had previously requested when we talked about the problem with the tractor on the phone. It will be ready in a couple of days and I need the money to pick it up.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I left messages on your cell and home phone yesterday when I got the total cost bill. My no. is home 423-246-1998 and cell is 423-742-0422. Call me or email me and I will give you my address again to send the money.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
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From: tomsrod To: SUPERBARTMAN Date: 2011-01-21 16:53:10
Subject: Re: MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 TRACTOR
Re: Ad #2066300 - MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 TRACTOR
idc what you have to say, i put my big boy pants on when i trade and dont cry. man up bart you knew this wasnt a street legal car, wheres my car you talked about in your ads that you had online forever, wheres my street legal tires, exhaust,lights and my uncut car bart? where? over 5k total to make it what you say in your ad, tell me bart tell me. you have no balls about ya you just try to pray on other people without money so you think, that you think you could scare to pay you extra for nothing. my ads, the words i wrote is all lagit yours is not. you are full of shit about people saying anything because i have been out of trading until me and you did. that was the first one in a yr.i have made more deals in one yr then you have a life time, most of the time with the same people. i have traded 9 cars in a month before and 3 times to the same person. idc what you get your friends to say either, you see bart i have true friends that i deal with alot, not people i look to make bad deals and cry about.nobody cares what you think, they all know me bart. just like rj deleted yr ad about me. who do you think you was to try and do that, your a nobody dude and chris at rj knows it also thats the reason it didnt last. nor will any other. as a matter of fact after your threats i should have you perm removed from this site. i still have all of them on hear. all i have to do is tell chris to do it and he will pull up ur messages to me and remove your ass for doing it. you cant do shit like that over you making a trade that your not happy with. you wait until i fix the car up better than you had it then talk shit and tell me what i owe you. u have to be insane after the money ive spent on the 66 fixing stuff that you said was NOT TRUE to pay you on something you broke. GET OVER IT!!!
On [2011-01-21 16:32:48] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> I won't mention any names but several people have come forward that you have scammed or tried to scam. There will be a whole lot more.
>
> On [2011-01-21 16:11:52] tomsrod wrote:
> > 1966 CHEVY 2 STOCK AFTERMARKET SUSPENSION 2 DOOR POST
> > Street Legal With Title! UNCUT! FACTORY DASH AND SHIFTER! NICE!
> >
> > Everything in this car is new. It has garage time only on it and has not been raced yet. I have owned this car for over 20 years.
> >
> > All original sheet metal in excellent cond. Car has all the original type excellent glass, door panels, factory dash, headliner and new carpet. The switches and wiring are all painless , Ignition is MSD with a 6 Al box. The Tach. is a large 5 in. Mallory with memory and shift lite. Gauges are Summit and in a Summit box. The cage is an 8 point mild steel and car has one race seat and RHS race belts. Interior floor is all steel, nice and carpeted.
> >
> > The hood is a custom built fiberglass race 6 in cowl induction with czus fasteners and front pins.
> >
> >
> > Engine is all forged new HBR Performance 355 cu. with 1/2 epoxy pour, street or strip, 4 bolt main, line bored, deburred, "0" ringed, copper head gaskets,forged steel crank, crank scraper, 4340 forged rods, forged pistons, chrome moly rings, race bearings, hv oil pump, true roller timing chain. Engine was internally balanced and blueprinted. Block has been screened and restricters installed. The cam is a Chet Herbert special grind for this car, 623 lift roller cam and roller lifters, cam button, Edelbrock Victor Tall intake ported and polished, heads are Bowtie 461X ported and polished, 202 stainless valves with chrome moly locks and retainers, roller rockers and stud girdles. Water pump is new and electric, aluminum fabricated valve covers on it now. Radiator is new. New electric fan on the radiator.
> >
> > Fuel system has a fuel cell and is all Holley with braided line to a brand new Holley regulator and 750 Holley race carb.
> >
> > Trans. is a Powerglide Performance race glide, kevlar clutches etc with Coan 4500 converter and hardened race shaft and linelock.
> >
> > Rearend is a 9 inch Ford with 456 gears and all Strange internals and axles. Car sits on tweaked stock type aftermarket suspension and nothing has been cut. Slicks are new Goodyear and Frontrunners are new MT. Crager ProStars are new.
> >
> >
> >
> > This car can be driven on the street, raced or show it.
> >
> > You have to see and hear this car to believe it.
> >
> >
> > this is your old ad bart word for word. i told you i had it. now do you really want to do this buddy?
> > tires alone to make this car street legal would be 1k. the tires on it states not for street use lie # 1
> > uncut all orig lie #2 the cost for replacement on this could be 1 to 2k bart to have fixed.
> > shifter is not orig it is a b&m lie #4
> > i do believe this would be fraud ol buddy.
> > watch how you word things. but i would gladly accept the amount owed to me on my behalf for the things it cost to make them the way you stated, and i would knock off the portion you say i owe from that. would you like to know my mailing address and have copies of the recipts when all complete. my attourney is hoping so, it will make things alot easier if thats what you want. so go look back at your deleted ads and see if this isnt what you stated street legal? bullshit! uncut bullshit! if you test me anymore or bother me i will show you some laws you may want to brush up on from your recent studies 2 yrs ago! im not playing or bullshiting or lying either. now that you may be able to see clearly i'll let it rest.
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> > # 3 lie fuel cell and braided lines is not holley
> > On [2011-01-21 14:59:28] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > You are such a liar. A lot of people are coming forward now that you have scammed and or tried to scam. Your ad's are fraud. You will see. Even the ones on the Chevy 11 that you deleted are false and lies. You know what you did and so do I. You can't still be a man about it and do the right thing. You don't know anything about tractors and operation, remember. Even if it was a mistake and lack of knowledge on your part you could have made it right. It is obvious from the damage and wear on the shaft that the damage has been done for some time.
> > >
> > > On [2011-01-21 14:35:45] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > if its bull then try and test me Bart. by the way what you did earlier was against the law man. you cannot slander nor make false accusations towards another person on a personal ad and if you new the law as you stated you should know that one as well. there is a place for that kinda stuff in the forum but it is illegal to do so in your own personal ad. strike # two bart!by the way ive talked with legal counsel today as well and he laughed and said it sounded like regaurdless of pics,posting's or the weather (day/night/rain/shine) that you had ampel time to decide to make a deal or not and you had seen the tractor in your own person and inspected the tractor as well yourself. you contacted me aswell,you wanted the deal worse than me for as many times you had contacted me from phone and rj. point in fact no case towards me on any grounds it was your own neglegance that has brought you here to this point. as i said before be careful of what you say about me and how you do it bart. rj has already removed your ad for inproper posting of a person. this site is for sale / trade items only, there is a forum and people is waiting for your coments there.
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> > > > ps. the moment i told you as you say that i did not know to much about the tractor why on earth would you not want to look it up down sideways and under? i did not make you rush, i tried to get you to operate it, i made every effort possible for your behalf on this trade bart in trying to get you to do so. i dont understand how you can put your own faults on me if you say it was broke in the first place. its because you know better and that it was working fine at the point of del. there is no mech. that can say forsure when it happened he can just give a friend a personal opion. are you sure you didnt gam the gears youself? i dont know, whatever i guess.
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> > > > On [2011-01-21 14:01:22] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > Same old bull. You know what you did. You committed fraud to dumpa broken down tractor on me. I'm done! Your own ad's say everything.
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> > > > > On [2011-01-21 12:31:47] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > Bart, i really hate the way this has turned out, truely i do. if all you are worried about is a picture then something is wrong anyway, the very last ad that i posted of the tractor was on dec 30th and you called me and said "i see you still have your tractor and you put it back on line" that same ad even had more pics and looked better than the last ad. i never said anything to you of getting a backhoe with it and i stated everything on or about the tractor as well as i know.i didnt say i couldnt operate the tractor i just said i wasnt that familiar with it. you have to look at all of this threw my eyes. 1st. you kept contacting me about a trade! 2nd. i would not have even loaded the thing up and drove 4 or 5 hrs to your house knowing anything was broke on it, because if it was me i wouldnt trade on something broken unless i wanted it and was aware of it. 3rd. you looked at the tractor up close and personal you liked the tractor, the only thing you asked about was the tires being scuffed up on top the tread, you make excuses saying it was late rainy and cold, that never stopped us from pulling the engine for 3 hrs inside your garage where there was plenty of room to inspect all you wanted. i asked you to run and operate it didnt i and you refused to do so but you did hear it run and seen it being moved without any noise at all coming from it! 4th. if you traded a car and while driving it home it broke down would you be saying you got ripped off also? when i make a deal i look at what im getting when i see it in person because 90% of the time pics do not tell what it is it just gives you an ideal of it. i know your not a simple man and can tell what you are getting when you see it! you would not pay either if you was in my shoes nor would any other human being on this planet, you called me 2 days later and told me it was broke and asked if i would help you out all i said was call me and let me know something but i had time to think about it and i could not do that that long after the fact. i dont know you you dont know me! anything couldve happened and you know it so dont try and play me for a fool. i dont know what youve done or couldve done to the tractor all i know is it was working just fine when i del it and you know it or you wouldnt have traded!dont blame me for your lack of inspection and try to come up with excuses it is just one of those things that happen sometimes, somebody trades and a couple days later it tears up and the person gets upset wanting to put the blame elseware. im not a bad person, nor do i ever try to rip someone off, i have traded with over 200 cars just off rj in the past 3 yrs even trade deals. i have meet alot of people without ever having any complaints, also i prob would have helped you out if i felt i was in the wrong but for some gut reeason i dont feel that way and you have the nerve to text me on rj and demand 1055 cash asap? and try to threaten me and my family? i think i will deal with my gut after that one. i think i will be ok bart, you do what you feel you need to do or say just be careful of how you say it tho and remember i am and still remain a officer of the federal gov. and you are aware of this. just to let you know department of transportaion and forigen trades "Captain". you wouldnt want to slander or threaten my family to bad Bart, and im not trying to scare you either just telling you to watch how you speak of me or my family got it! if you read up on laws and study them you will know what im talking about and i know you know this is true! also i have pleanty of friends on rj to back me up on a deal like this one and you know down deep what is going to happen as soon as you start. so do what you want to deal or feel you have or need to do. thanks for your time and wasting mine. tom
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> > > > > > On [2011-01-21 08:37:19] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > You can talk and lie until you are blue in the face but the fact still remains that the tractor you advertised and the one I thought I was trading to was not yours but belonged to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany NY. That is FRAUD. I guess you have NO shame, ethics or morals either. Most crooks don't. Everyone will know what you did and you can't lie out of your own false advertising and fradulent ad's. No one will trade with you anymore. I will pay for the broken tractor repair that you switched on me but everyone will know. Shame!
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> > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 23:31:22] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > ok thanks tom.
> > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:56:31] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I don't text. More proof that you tried to cover up your fraud. I have every ad you ever ran in my files now. It's your ass and jail, that is all. I really hate to see you put your family through this. They are really nice and deserve better. I liked Johnny too. I knew there was a problem with you though. Things just didn't match up. After tomorrow the money for the repairs will be irrelevent and second nature.
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> > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:49:09] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > my last post on tractor was on december 30th, i have proof ad 2083782, it was this ad you contacted me about a trade it on jan 1 about the same ad, we traded that night, and aso texted me on this same number on racing junk, so you stop studering and lien and be a man. thanks tom [2011-01-20 22:25:49] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > When am I going to get that nice tractor in the picture? You know the one you don't own.
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> > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:12:26] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Also here is the ad of the last ad i posted on tractor 2083782. Thats when you contacted me.You called me and said i see you got your tractor back online i have the hole conversation recorded on answer machine, so do not threated me my family or anyone i know. Do what you have to do, You waited 2 days anything could have happened and by the way your talking it did, I had a picture a massey ferguson tractor, I stated what I had for sale or trade, everything in my statments were true, there was no fraud commited. thanks tom[2011-01-20 21:49:07
> > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:03:42] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dumb ass, THIS IS NOT YOUR TRACTOR. Take another look. I know you wanted it to be that is why you used someone else's tractor in your ad. FRAUD! NOT YOUR TRACTOR. FRAUD! You can't lie out of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was the top of my law clsses in college and I took classes until just a few years ago. Tomorrow it all begins and the money is irrelivant. You asked for it!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:49:07] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no sir, you quit acting like a child.I never commited no fraud, and what your talking about is slander, read up on the laws. i never said no such thing about a guarantee a warranty or money back, im not asking for money back for my loss i suggest you do the same thank you. tom
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:29:23] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the last time I am asking you tom, just pay the stupid bill. If not you will start getting contacts tomorrow about the fraud you committed. The bill will be irrelevant at that point and I will see that you pay for what you did. Just do it and quit fabricatin more lying shit. You are running out of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 20:33:48] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You told me paint was about year old, you said that, so so much right for your word and it was not raining at time we unloaded tractor, and you did not give me nothing, i received a car without motor or trany, so you did not give me nothing and everything was as is in deal but you did say car was street legal and all lights worked and they did not and i did not misrepresent nothing, as for tires you looked at them yourselve, you looked at tractor you should said this then not now. thanks tom
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 17:36:03] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In regard to the Chevy 11, the only holes in the lower firewall that I knew about was a couple where the MSD box was mounted. So you had to put a plug or couple of wires on the headlights. That is not a big deal. The brakes were disc brakes on the rear. Yes they were tight from sitting that is all. I restored the car 10 years ago and yes i painted it too. I did all the restoration myself. I think the car is great to be 45 years old and so do you. We both know what happened with the tractor and especially you know it. Not only is it misrepresentation it is fraud to advertise someone else's tractor then deliver a different one. That is what happened here.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need you to help pay for the tractor bill. You need to do the right thing. Let me know. My address is Bart Johnson 1357 Skelton Bluff Rd. Kingsport, Tn.37660
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 14:34:28] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never did neg with a warranty or gaurentee on either side, and i never said i would pay a total bill. You used the tractor for 2 days and then called me at end of second day of using it and ask to help you a little and all I said was to call, nothing more. The night I delivered the tractor there was nothing wrong to my knowledge when I delivered to you, I told you to operate it and drive it and you refused there was no whinning or anything noticable at the time, also I would not have delivered it on a 4 hr trip if knowing something was wrong with it, the place i bought tractor from has been in buisness for 50 years and there was nothing wrong then. Put yourself in my shoes for a min. you told me the lights work and they did not, they was not even hooked up also you said the rearend was breaks and was not, there was holes at the bottom of the firewall that had to be fixed also Think of money I have already spent to get these things fix, trust me its been well over 1000.00 . Also, You have not heard me complain or ask for a dime to get these things fixed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 10:52:13] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It took me a couple of weeks to get the 4 wheel drive unit and trans pulled apart on the tractor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were broken bearing parts and gear parts in the bottom of the case and the shaft was worn from operation of the tractor for a long time with a broken bearings and gears floating around. 2 gears were badly damaged on the 4 wheel drive shaft. The shaft and gears are encased in a bath of oil and It takes a long time to wear on the shaft under these conditions. We know it was already done when I got the tractor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tractor dealer doing the repair is Eaton and Son Tractors and Repain in Blountville Tn. and the chief mechanic and owner is Melvin Eaton. Feel free to call him at 423-323-4902 if you have any questions. He has been in the tractor business and repair for 32 years.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current bill is $795 parts and $260 Labor if they don't have to completely remove and dissemble the transmission to get the shaft out. They are not sure what it will take to get the shaft out to replace it. The total current bull is $1055. You said you didn't know that the tractor was broken when you brought it to me. This being the case the right thing to do would be to cover the repair expense of $1055 as I had previously requested when we talked about the problem with the tractor on the phone. It will be ready in a couple of days and I need the money to pick it up.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I left messages on your cell and home phone yesterday when I got the total cost bill. My no. is home 423-246-1998 and cell is 423-742-0422. Call me or email me and I will give you my address again to send the money.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
01-23-2011, 05:07 PM
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Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
SORRY BUT YOU NEED TO READ MY COPY OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE PRIOR POST FROM BOTTOM TO TOP FOR IT TO BE IN ORDER.
WE NOW HAVE A TRAVELING LAWYER THAT TRAVELS ON THE RIVER TUG BOAT WITH TOM. HE NEEDS ONE ALL THE TIME.
BJUICE DID A GREAT JOB! RIGHT HANDED SALUTE! YES SIR CAPTAIN!
WE NOW HAVE A TRAVELING LAWYER THAT TRAVELS ON THE RIVER TUG BOAT WITH TOM. HE NEEDS ONE ALL THE TIME.
BJUICE DID A GREAT JOB! RIGHT HANDED SALUTE! YES SIR CAPTAIN!
01-23-2011, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mopar1968
10:00 pm :!: :!:
Mark
Mark
I think he needed to vent. It sucks when you get ripped off. That is what this form is for. It did help me. I kinda of feel bad for the guy. I would of killed myself if ,I went through with mine. It did feel good to vent at the time.
Buy I will say 12 midnight
