well , after listening to both sides this is what I think , probaly will make both sides mad , but thats life when you air your dirty laundry on a public forum..I think fogger DID order the msd boxs with intent to try and get his money back and the boxes , I think kentucky DID try and hide the money and not ship the boxes , I think Fogger got reimbursed by paypal and now Kentucky is having to pay them back..looks like two people tried to scam each other at the same time and now it is at a stalemate , time to sh*t or get off the pot , if you think someone stole over $3000 from you then press charges on them and have them arrested..if you can't because the truth will come out then you need to drop it...all this he said , she said is doing nothing at all . there is no way to solve this on this forum.unless bank statements are presented . anything other than that is a waste of time ..sorry if either side is unhappy with what I think but thats just what it is , what I think,,,,Paul