Will be picking up a infrered gun to check tomorrow. Tried to richen the idle circuit and retard the timing it slowed down but the temp was cool outside too. It just starts creeping. It hasn't boiled out but has blown out of the overflow once. Once it starts rising it never goes back down. I have tried turning the water pump off and the engine temp does not go up, but after sittng a few minutes at the same temp, lets say190, I can turn the pump on an dit will shoot up to 220 and then come back about 210. Will go up from there. I was thinking maybe I had the water pump wired wrong but it seems to flow right. I have even tried the same with the fans and it will do the same thing. Maybe it is the sender, would suck as it's a new autometer gauge but would be great to be that easy of a fix.