Beware of "waynesworld154" Owensboro, Ky.!!! Big L
 

Beware of buying from Wayne Baggett out of Owensboro, Ky.!!!!! "waynesworld154" I know nothing of the dragster he has listed for sale, but I used to own and technially still own the 89 Firebird he has listed for sale. ad#s 1479787/1478354/1477446. It is a titled and registered car with the title in my possesion. I also have a bill of sale showing he owes me $1,000 on the car yet to obtain the title. His useless local law enforcement will not get involved until I sue him first. I've pretty much written the 1K off to a lesson learned from a loser, however, I don't want to see anyone get riped off by the way he is misrepresenting the motor in the car. He has it adevertised in a update as a 18 dgree motor. It is NOT a 18 degree motor and he knows it. The guy is a lying little worm---beware!!!!!!

i remember seeing the car on rj. i looked at his add he acts like he has had the car forever. like to many on here will say anything to make a buck. if you have the title in your name go to his county get the sherrif and go get your car. good luck

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well I knew this was coming this guy has been hasseling me for the whole time i have owned this car and i would like to thank all the people whom i have dealt with that sent me messages about this post i called him about this car and was on my way to buy the car he looked at another car didnt like it and decided not to get it i was already on my way to get his he said he would be a man of his word and sell it to me so then 2 more hrs into this trip wich was from ky to wisconsin he called said we didnt discuss payment i said u wanted certain dollar amount and that is what i have he said well i will not take a check or even a cashiers check i said good thing i brought cash another few hrs into this trip he calls and says he has to be at work at 6am and if i wasnt there before then i would just have to wait till he got off that night so i made it by 6am and had to wake him up when he came outside was as nice as could be he counted out the money asked if i wanted a reciept for the car i said no dont need it its a drag car he said he would write one anyway the reciept for the car says and i quote
SOLD TO WAYNE B. 1989 FIREBIRD DRAG CAR 8-6-08 SIGNED BY HIS NAME AND THE AMOUNT I PAID if any one wants to see this reciept send me a message on rj and i will send u a pic of it when the reciept was written he took the time to show me all about the car and even drove it on the trailer for me about a month after he called said i owed him another 1000.00 because if he didnt buythe other car the price of my car was a 1000.00 more well to make a long and sad story short he accepted payment for the car and wrote out a bill of sale i have checked with his dmv there is no title last place car was titled was schumung ill. in 1992 so the end is i bought a car he accepted money wrote out a bill of sale done deal thanks to everyone who let me know about this post i have sold and bought many car on this site and have never had any problems with anyone except this person thanks and like i said if u want to see the recipt just send a message and i will send it to u thanks

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Both of you claim to have documentation and it can be posted on the thread. If you need instructions how, pm a Mod and they will point you in the right direction.

Two claimed Bills of Sales. Lets see them and the rest of the documentation-

Kinda like a game of chicken-lets see who blinks since you both claim to have back-up.

Scorp

i agree totally with scorpion i didnt know how to post it here but u can go to ad no 1482676 and see the reciept that i got from him when i bought the car now who blinks thanks once again to all who pointed this out

Yes--let's see who blinks now loser. I am going to go post a ad now with a pic of the title and the receipt YOU signed. Anyone with half a brain can see you folded that receipt you have. Nice one telling people it has a 18 degree motor. It wasn't enough you boned me out of a grand, now your trying to screw somebody else you sell it to also??? Wow---real nice!!! You knew it's been coming because you figured out you screwed the wrong guy maybe. As far as taking the title to the local sheriff there----I tried that route. They will not touch it unless there is a court order to retrieve. Incase you didn't see---I had posted a ad several weeks ago asking for help of the where abouts of the car. That was so I could have the local sheriffs office in his County assist me in retrieving the car. I guess they're about as usless as this guy. Go to complete race cars and see the real receipt and title now guys.

And wayne--you can try and hand people on here all the B.S. you want to about how the sale went down--that's fine. We both know how the deal went. I'm not on here for the purpose of looking to take the car back. You did give me $13,500 cash---however, when you make a deal beyond that--you should really be able to follow through with it. I'd love to take you to court and burry you, but what sense would there be on my end to spend more than that grand to make you pay me what you owe me? I guess I thought holding the title and having your signature should be enough leverage with a sheriffs dept. to retrieve the car back if you didn't pay me----my mistake. Don't ever think that title will do you any good with the police alone guys. You'll lose your money just like I have. So let me say this again----I am not on here to try and browbeat this clown or try and get the car back anymore---I just happened to notice his ad today and see that he has it listed with the very same motor that was in the car when I sold it to him and he has it listed as a 18 degree motor. It is not a 18 degree motor and he knows it. I simply did not want to see him lie--cheat and screw yet another guy over like he did me ok. Is there anything wrong with that? Money is tough to come by these days and nobody should get screwed. That was my purpose here. Not to get into any kind of pissing match with a bunch of other guys to try and prove this guy gave me the shaft for a grand.

yeah i saw the add befor i came to the forum. i wondered why the paper was folded when i went back and looked at firebirds add its easy to see why. looks like a pretty lame attept at a coverup

the receipt was folded because i didnt think it was anyones business what i paid for the car now the ad shows un folded and no 1000.00 on mine by the way what about that title forget it doesnt matter look at the two reciepts and make up your own mind who added what u can clearly see i would have to erased the 1000.00 balance that just didnt happen thanks to u all i bought a car for the prescribed price paid the price and left with the car

well i dont know, but its easy to see they dont match in anyway writing spacing its all different. somebody is full of it. i cant point a finger at anybody but something sure isnt right.

OK guys---I just had someone ask me for the story of what the deal really consisted of. Almost sounded like a accusation of me lying. You want the story, here it is. He called me on the car and quized me on a few things. Including price obviously. I originally told him the bottom dollar on the car was $14,500 and not a dime less. He wanted me to meet him part way with the car and I said no. Couldn't do it for that price. I was already losing my butt on the car bigtime. He said ok and he'd think about it. The next day a small tire camaro popped up on RJ that looked like exactly what I was looking for. I called the guy--had him send some pics and also got his bottom dollar on the car he was selling. He told me $13,500--no less. I called wayne back up and told him that if this car was what I wanted for the $13,500 that he could take my car for $13,500. But ONLY AFTER I went and looked at the other car and had money down on it. I also told wayne again that he had to come all the way to get this car. I arranged it quickly and headed across the state over to Minn. to see this other camaro. I told wayne several times that I would only let the car go @ that price if I bought this other one. I called wayne and left him a message on his cell phone and emailed him the next morning telling him that I was going to go over and look at the other car that evening and I'd let him know. Go figure--he didn't call me back until we were half way across Wis. He then told me he had already left and had about 3 hours into the trip up to get the firebird. At that point I got pretty irritated and kept asking him why he'd leave when he knew the sale was contingant on the other car. No answer to that question and then of course he lost signal and he didn't reach me back for about another 5-6 hours. We got to the other car and it was junk. I obviosuly wasn't going to buy it so I told wayne he had better have 14.5 with him and it better be cash or he might as well head home. He deliberatly left right away(lie) so he wouldn't miss out on the deal. He started pulling this crap about how I'm not a man of my word---bla bla bla. I told him he better have the cash and he better be to my place before 6:00 a.m. because I had to get to work by 6:30. He lied about where he was the entire time. He hadn't even left when he told us he was a few hours into it. We figured he would reach my house by no later than 1:30 a.m. Geeez, he showed up at 5:55. When he had $13,500 I should've told him to head his snake ass right back where he came from, but he agreed to send me the rest of the cash and that I'd hold the title and I also have this receipt showing he owed me the grand. I should've known better, but live and learn I guess. He owes me a grand and I will get it at some point. My pics should make this pretty obvious to figure out guys.

wow..ok as i see it Wayne pressed the deal ( which i have no issues with,it's business) but you gave into it firebird89...the seller is in control the entire time no matter how much pressure the buyer puts on..

back 4 yrs ago i went thru a simliar situation with a buyer from Up north, but basically he tried to low ball on my fixed price once he got here..he had no beef wth car ..i guess he thought i would cave and give in o hios pressue..but i didn't. thats is when i am at my best when the heat is on so i stood my ground and sent him packing 700 miles one way back north with an empty trailer,,bottom line i (seller) kept control of the deal.

i really have no issues with either of you, Firebird89 i am sure you learned something here that will last a lifetime..Wayne if i were in your shoes i would like to have that title, looking at the car it looks pretty nice and WILL be worth a lot more money with the title..you would get your extra 1k back getting the title. Plus i feel strongly many of your offers could hinge on the title Question..Just my experience
By not having the title you can exclude any buyers from Canada becuase the border makes them produce one..and there are many great potential buyers from Canada..i have 1st hand knowledge with this one

Many people in general will just back off a deal without a title cause you always have that chance of someone coming up making claim to the car or at least that thought in the back of you mind

it sounds like you guys ain' thatt far off from pleasing each other..how about try and make this right,it sure sounds like a good trade off for both if you could make it happen.


Brian

And just so everyone knows--I reported his ad and what he was misrepresenting to RJ before I resorted to posting here in the forum. It obviosuly didn't fall into the proper hands. His ad remained on here so I simply wanted to do what I could to make people aware and maybe help keep someone from getting boned. I am going to leave my ad up with the pics of the receipt & title until morning and then remove the ad. Hated to even waste the space and post it, but the truth is the truth. Posting ads like that on the classifieds is not proper use of the site. Just be aware of what your buying--ask for proof. Keep sellers honest. At least do what you can to cover your own azz guys and gals.

Your right Brian---I did give in and was too nice and trusting of the buyer. I had already said live and learn--my mistake. I do have a problem with liars and thiefs even if others don't. What happened along the way and at what point did we all have to assume a deal really isn't a deal? Pretty sad actually!!! It's called morals--my parents actaully taught them to me. AGAIN----the purpose of this post was to make others aware he is B.S.ing about the motor, not the title or the money. little wayne brought that up, not me. He must be have guilty concious. But you are right again Brian----that title could prove to be a thorn in his side considering I am going to keep as close a track on that car as I possibly can. A grand is a grand.

I Don't know what is signed on the title..but with the receipt i saw you have in hand ( no matter how lame it looks) it is a promissary note sense you have a title to back it...Many professional Pic guys will go after the car for a fee and bring it back to you or you go to them...i mean they are in AND OUT with their snatch trucks...done had to do that myself. also thats another headache you have to worry about when buying something with no title,,,,you just don't ever know..thats why a man will stay away.

so my opinion of the car as i have seen it ..if its worth $13,500 to wayne without title its worth $14,500 with title... ( hands down)

just my take on it...i wish you guys luck...cause someone is gonna reach a sticking spot sooner or later DEPENDING ON WHO DOES THEIR HOME WORK AND WHO DECIDES TO COMMITT AND ACT 1ST....so the ball is in you court firebird89 how agressive you gonna take it ?

and again WAYNE I WOULD PAY HIM AND GET TITLE. its a no brainer if i were in your shoes,,you'll love this advise at resale time..trust me. :D

Good Luck...

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not to get in the middle of this but was making a deal to buy car,and dont want a tow truck picking it up at the track becasue of a dispute between 2 outher people, i was more concerned about the posting about it not being a 18deg sbc which one has the docs on the motor info part numbers build shop ect,,,thanks

so what about the 18 degree motor??

So what about the 18 degree motor is the fact that a 18 degree motor would make the car worth more. 18 degree parts are much more expensive and make more power. He's lying about it--that's the whole issue. If your buying a 18 degree motor, that's what you should get, not a 23 degree motor, which is what it is. Not hard to figure this dude out.

firebird, that question was aimed at him, not you. he still hasnt expained why he is advertising an 18 degree motor when it doesnt have one. sorry for the confusion. I quess since you still have the title and he doesnt then the story shifts more your way. I sent him a message asking if the car was street legal and he replied "no" so I assume he is selling it as a "race car" only...

the engine is not 18 degree it is a 23 degree i was told it was 18 that is why it is advertised that way but it is not i should have checked more in to what i bought so the engine is on me but the other stuff just remember the truth will come out and i am not concerned when it does

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Wow---this clown is a real pile!!!! He was never at any point told this was a 18 degree motor by anyone on this end. I am going to dig to try and find my old ad #s to prove how much of a idiot this loser really is. Does anyone know of a way I can find my previous ad #s???? Funny--he doesn't have much to say now does he?

Your right little wayne---here's the truth. Check out all these ad #s and let me know if you spot anywhere that I advertised this 388 as a 18 degree piece--1258065--1248007--1247994--1248007--1180095--and here's the ad # that was posted while that engine was being built--1226963. We were off in our guess as to what the car would run by 2 tenths and you'll notice in ALL the other ads I was true to what the car actually ran in the 1/4 mile--9:80s. Here is one of the ads where I had the car adv. as a roller---does the ad say 18 degree small blk. headers at all? 1174964 Nope--it doesn't! I will keep digging for more ads and I'm hoping to find one of those old ads with more motor specs that I listed. I was un-happy about getting shafted before---now I'm pissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:

I read everything on this thread... Wayne you are starting to sink dude. That last post was LAME. The tides are turning against you here. "You were told it was a 18 degree motor" ??? You paid 13,500 in cash & drove for hours & you did not know/recognize it was a 23 degree motor when you got there??? Most guys pretty know what they are getting before they lay down the cash... it is SO EASY FOR YOU TO SAY YOU WERE TOLD IT WAS 18 DEGREE WHEN YOUR BACK IS TO THE WALL... of corse that is your answer. Hey, I have no problem "picking sides"... I believe firebird's story. So far, the evidence is NOT in your favor & your lame ass folded reciept is an insult to peoples intelligence. I think you OWE him $1000.00 & an apology. If I am wrong, I am sorry; but I think if firebird never posted about you in the first place, you would be fine with never paying him back what you owe, & misrepresenting the car/motor, & worse.... selling a car you don't have the title to with a dispute on top of that!!! Firebird, you may have saved someone else who does not want the headache of buying a car that technically is not really sold/closed. I wonder if you can put a lien on the title for non-payment??? Good luck. Scooter

well i hate to say it but its a race car..a 89 FIREBIRD he can just vin swap it...no biggie.and then he can say.something like a guy (that has now past away)built it for me and removed the vin while he was building it.so i bought a 89 firebird and swapped them,and in most states this is legal..we do it here a lot.heck i just put a vin plate on a alston chassis roadster to make it legal.passed with flying color at the oklahoma DMV and highway patrol inspection..my buddy just did it to a 92 mustang also..but it may not be legal everywhere..but you should not have released the car with out it being PAYED IN FULL....

Well there you go bigray---give a thief another route to go with his already big pile of B.S. Race car or street car it is a legal titled vehicle and as long as it's documented it's the law. Here's another little addition for you----the Credit Union I originally used to finance the car still holds a legal Lien on it. They wouldn't release the Lien until I told them he paid me. He'd have to bust the car up a bit to get the vin tag out from under the cage sil plate. The Credit Union retained all the photos and info on the car from when I had it appraised by a local shop as well. Yes--I obviously shouldn't have let the car go without the other grand in my pocket---so are you saying that gives him the right to stiff me?

I'm guessing by his silence that everyone can see how full of crap this guy is. Can anyone help me out with the # of a good Professional Pic guy in the Owensboro, Ky. area I can use? This turd owes me $1,000 and I guess if I have to have the car repoed to get my $$$, so be it.

OOOOOh no i wasn't saying to do it..iam just saying the vin plate dont meen squat.if it hasnt been tagged in 5 years.just saying in oklahoma,after 8 years its dropped from the system and you cant get a title thru normal channels..now of course all of this is oklahoma law..i feel your pain..dont get me wrong.heck i had a guy burn me a while back.he still owed me 2500.00 on a 72 nova chassis car.i just waited till he got his new 555 motor off in it and was at the track.and i showed up with the sheriff.and he hadn't swapped (YET)..title was in my name.THE LAW SAID,WELL RAY.ITS YOURS .LOAD IT UP. and i loaded the car up.WITH HIS MOTOR IN IT.AND TURNED TO THE SHERIFF AND SAID..YES SIR THATS MY MOTOR..ooooooooooooooooooh was he mad..but screw me..and i will get ya..2 weeks later the car went a 9.85 first stab down the track.had the car for 3 years after that.and there wasnt crap he could do...so the way i looked at it,he was trying to scam me.so i beat him to the punch..so shit show up at the track with the title and load it up..I DID... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I hear you bigray--that was the plan, but his local law won't touch it without a order from the court. I've called them more than once. They sound about as bright as the idiot that owes me the grand. It's going to work out though--I've got a call into the Wis. State Police Motor Division and they're going to get in contact with the KY. State police Motor division. See what happens now.

Bigray,are you saying you can legally swap the vin off one car to another in Oklahoma? I thought that was a federal crime.

I know that you cannot do it here... "bill of sale" does not mean much here (In Oregon) either. I had to take my Camaro down to DMV in person & they had to inspect 2 vin #'s. They found one on the dash... could not find another. They then sent me to the state police to approve the car or find one more form of a vin on it. I had to take off the windshield wiper cowl to give them more #'s. They finnaly signed off & gave me a new title. All of this was just becasue i had an out of state title!!! I was just trying to register it in my state!! i think firebird has some recorse just by being the current title-holder with a dispute on it. I think if he pushes the right buttons, he can have justice somehow. I know DMV rules vary from state to state, but I think he has recorse. Scooter

Yeah,we have some strange dmv laws here too. I can buy a car out of state and if I tag it I dont have to have the car there for them to inspect,if I just want to get a title only in my name I have to take the car to the dmv. I guess as long as they are getting paid the property tax on it,they dont care if it is correct or not.

I bought a car out of kentucky that had a rebuilt title, filled out the title application in Illinois and the Illinois title came back to me clean? I have no idea why but I made sure the guy I sold it to knew that it had a previous rebuilt title. He didnt care as long as the current one was clean. It was also a 30 year old car...

That was a blessing... cool. In reality, someone was just not probably paying attention at the DMV I guess??

yeah Cris thats the way some of the old Jack leg car dealers here locally wash there salvaged titles in the past. :(

Had the same thing happen with a KY salvaged Trans Am. When I titled it here in WV it came back clean. I didnt even realize it till I sold car to my brither and he said he couldn't find where it said salvage or rebuilt on title. I checked and it wasn't.

Yep.i can show a bill of sell..show that it has no vin..and was a race car.and now i want to make it a street legal car.go buy a donor car,with vin and title and swap them LEGALLY in oklahoma..also i had a 99 ford truck that i bought out of a swimming pool.YEP a swimming pool..still sitting in the bottom of it.got it running,everything fixed.and sold it to a guy in Ga.it had a rebuilder paper work.but when i sent it threw the tribal tag office it came back clear and showed only 56k miles just like the Od.said.but i told them it was a rebuiler and that the miles were not correct..the tag office said its to late.thats the way it is now..so i made DAMN sure the guy i sold it to in GA knew all this.and i even Delivered it to Atlanta GA.and flew back home..and made my honor payment...i think :oops:

Where the hell is wayne with all his honesty and proof now?

I would dare to say Wayne has just walked out, if he sells the car as a race car only then he has nothing to worry about. If I were you any legal action you are going to take now is the time to do it...

Oh he's got plenty to worry about Chris. This little red neck thief has no idea just how much he has to worry about.