BOWERS RACING ENGINES
 

I wanted to post this because I think you guys need to know... Bret Bowers has returned my calls and I'm under the impression that he is trying to get his business together. Just as I stated before, I think the guy is an excellent engine builder and was just overloaded with work. I talked to guys that are very happy with his work and they all told me the same thing. He can be slow but he'll build you one hell of a engine. If you have any problem with Bret, Call him, he has been answering his phone and I THINK he will make it right. He is an engine builder and he has found someone to help him with the business end of running the shop. I'm going to chaulk this experience up to his growing pains. I'll let you know how it goes. My engine is supposed to be ready to ship any day. We can post the positive on here and give credit when it's due. BEST OF LUCK TO ALL, Larry / southern prizefighter

Larry I am so happy for you that you are going to get your engine so soon man that is great. I hope you are right about Brett he sure does sound like a great guy on the phone. If he does get his act together than I have no doubt that he will go far. Well very happy for you and thanks for the good word. Wesley

good luck his web site disappeared again

sprize,

I hope you get what you paid for, but in my life I have learned that a Leopard will normally not change it's spots.

It will be great if Bret gets his act together and does right by his customers in the future, something he has certianly not done in the past.

Again good luck to you and to Bret

did you get your engine i get either a busy signal or it rings twice and goes dead when i call bret now . and still no web sight. its like he disappeared he doesn't answer my emails ether.

BUUUUUURNED ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!!!!!!??????---I GUESS WE WILL WAIT AND SEE :x :x :x

Bret left me an email early last week stating that he had lost a few employees and was sorry that I hadn't received my engine specs yet. I felt somewhat good that he did reply and let me know what was going on but, he said the specs would be in the mail last week...over 1 week later and no mail from Bowers! :( I give up......

WVProStreet DO NOT GIVE UP. If you do that then he wins an thats just what he wants. So we are all asking you to please not give up. Stand back take a deep breath an get after it again. We are with you all the way. Larry did not give up and he said that he is getting his engine any day now so hang in there. Wesley

I agree with the woodsman...You give up and that is his game plan...DO NOT GIVE UP...Hang in like a bulldog that has bitten the mailmans ass....Do what ever you have to do to get your stuff or your money...This is a long drawn out story with him that seems to never end...After you there will be somone else, so if you stand tough you may save somone else from his plan...I know some of us on RJ have become a real pain in his ass and some of the others that are playing the game...I just hope they are ready to pay the price when the lose...And they will lose :!:

Larry I was going through scammers and remembered that you where getting your engine an was wondering if you had any issues with it like the right color did you receive a spec sheet with it all of those types of things. Let us know if you are happy with it. Well very happy for you. Wesley

Bret Bowers / Bowers Racing Engines
 

Hey guysa. I have been reading your entries with some interest. I ordered and engine and several parts from Bret in December. I am in Australia and found that this was my biggest issue. I had the exact same issues with calls not being returned and the same thing with emails. Eventually 5 months later my engine arrived. I also received wheels and tires that he had organised. This is all great, the 540 is excellent and all but he forgot to send my starter motor, my fuel pump, my nitros kit and my diff centre. So I am out about $2500-. he then calls me after 5 weeks of chasing and tells me he thought his guys had packed it all and that he woudl air freight it to me. All was to arrive last Wednesday. Nothing arrived as expected. Called the freight company and they new nothing of it. Some interesting stuff you may wish to know. The Colorado fraud police are currently trying to put a case together and go to the DA to get approval to criminally charge Bret for his practises. The second thing is that we have greater power in groups so I have been speaking to a solicitor named Tracey from Cline Williams lawyers in Fort Collins and if we get together we can have a huge chance of getting our issues solved quickly. Please let me know your throughts. Tracey can be contracted on 970-221-2637

just another quick add on here. The only reason we feel good when he calls is that we then think there is hope, thats normal. I got my dyno sheet 6 weeks after my engine arrived and it takes 4-6 weeks to get to Australia. I waqs told my engine was on the dyno for about 4 weeks by Bret and that it was going to be shipped for about 2 months. The dyno shows that it was done just before it left.

Bret Bowers of Bowers Racing Engines or B & K Performance of 117 Smokey rd, Fort Collins Colorado 970-226-6040 (dialled this number about 2000 times, please understand that all anyone wants is what they pay for. If your margins are to fine then increase your prices a little so you can run an orderly shop.

Please simply take a few hours to write or call your clients, give them a realistic expectation of when they can expect their goods and then meet that dead line. That is all people want. If it takes a few weeks longer then they just want to know about it. It is 10am Tuesday here so if anyone wants contact me outside of this forum to arrange a class action against him i am happy to manage that. email me on [email protected].

I hope for all our sakes that he is not just putting us all off until he closes up shop.

I have forwarded the links and the forum page to Bret so that he can see what has been said. I am sure that all of us believe that he can be great at what he does and that as long as we get what we paid for and he keeps in comtact with us all then we will say how good he has been on this an other web sites.

The chance is with you Bret to fix this and your reputation. no one else can do that but you.

Well, I emailed Bret back and thanked him for yet another lie. I wish he would just quit pissing around and send me my engine specs. The time he has wasted trying avoid me he could have sent them out 2 weeks ago like he promised, and I would be off his @SS!!!! :(

Everyone please remember.

Bret and scot from dynoflo are cut from the same cloth and both suffer from dellusions of granduer and megalomania.

These are real and in their minds they do everything right and harm no one.

The truth is they are pathetic liars and poor businessmen, preying on the naievity of you and I.

I have voiced my opinion of these two people and am here doing it again.

Please, anyone new reading this take heed and avoid these people like the plague, they will only take your money and let you down.

My opinion only, based upon facts and that neither has had the balls to come in here and justify the way they treat their customers.

I agree with your statement totally. When my engine and wheels etc arrived he sent a nice note saying thanks for the business, he sent t-shirts and stickers. I thought to myself why would someone do that when they had knowingly ripped me off.

Still no reply as per usual and as stated in the previous email chain i am happy to assist with getting some group action together (at as little cost as possible) for those who have been defrauded and have paid money and not recieved the items. I will need details etc times dates etc so that i can pass these on. Please contact the fort collins police as the greater the number of complaints the stronger it makes their case. they do have a large number of complaints at the moment about Bret and when I first called it was very clear that he was well known to them.

Maybe we should get Racingjunk.com to pull all their ads (Ad posted by: bowers (#28877)...) until they rectify all these problems posted by other members.

This is what I posted on May 27 2007 and its still there.

This is just my 2 cents but I dont think B&K Performance Enterprises/Bowers Racing Engines should be in the Racing Junks.com Performance Racing Directory where more people can get mixed up in this Bret Bowers mess. I know that I wish I would not have got his number off of here. Wesley

DITTO!!

The quaestion is then will the administrators of this sight do that or not? will they contact Bret and advise until thse items are resolved then we will no longer allow you on our directory or to sell items via our site!

I think that this is only fair.

I still have had no contact from Bret. Busy or not this is crap. I was wondering if anyone out there knows of a contact in Fort Collins that would be willing to drop in to his shop for those of us who are affected and at a long way for his shop and see what he says face to face.

...Was wondering the same thing about Bruis Glass Works..)See that thread also)...They still have ads up on RJ too...Know that another racer has even called RJ and they won't take off their ad....I could see leaving it if there was only one or two "disgruntles", but their thread is getting as big as this one, so you'd think they'd investigate it...Maybe if we all keep posting enough, they might do something..Or maybe their just waiting for these guy's ad time to run out...I've already seen some new "questions" from un-knowing racers on their ad...Tsk tsk...Not sure how much more hard earned money we all have to lose before they take it serious!...

Thanks for that advice. I will write to the administrator and do just that. when it comes to sending someone to see Bret, I have a solicitor ready and waiting (just confirming the actions he will be taking now) have made contact several time with the police who have existing registered complaints and are trying to put together a case. I urge anyoine who has been scammed to contact the FortCollins Fraud police and provide theri details so that they can formally take your statements also. As said earlier if anyone would like to join me one getting this sorted please email me on [email protected] and provide some details, i will then see if we can arrange something that may help get our money back.

made contact with racing junk as sufggested above and this is the reply. "
Once you fax over a request on legal letterhead we can supply you with
all the details of his account. So that you may pursue legal action.
We can disable his account once we get legal documentation that he
has been found guilty of any wrong doing."
Tough love. I will need to initiate thye legal action before they will do anything.

POPSPV, Just keep this in mind....No one can do what is outside the law unless they are willing to face the consequences, so there is the reason for the reply you got...Just keep your sights on what you want to accomplish and the end result with be sweet...If we can help please let us know as we are all behind you....

Thanks Lotsof454sss. Know where your coming from. Just had contact from another disgrunted person and looks like a visit to Bret may be on the horizen. All is difficult from so far away in Australia. My wife is all pissed off at the US and view of the world changed a little. We were just about to try buy a car from there and have some US muscle sent here but she has put a stop to that due to lack of trust. I said to here that we were just unlucky and that it could have happened anywhere but being so far away means that the entire transaction was based on trust that is not gone.I am sure that sooner or later if a few of us can get together we can sort this out and improve the feelings about being scammed.

Power in numbers is what is needed to sort this out. It will all work out in the end. If anyone knows of any tough debt collectors in that fort collins area I would be delighted to know who they are and get in contact with them.

FYI :

Just found this link on a web site. Sincerely must be a bummer if this is the same business as listed on the link,

http://www.rbssuperchargers.com/Boun...or_no_pays.cfm

Check it out if you deal with bowers I do not know if it pertains to the same company as listed here on RJ.

Same Business!!!!!!!

Bret seems to be having a real bad time....this happens when you either have no idea how to run a business or you just don't care who or what you screw.

THAT IS NICE!!!IF HE IS HAVING TROUBLE PAYING HIS BILLS THEN HE NEEDS TO RETHINK HIS OWN BUSINESS PRACTICES!!----I HOPE HE GETS IT RIGHT BEFORE HE GOES OUT OF BUSINESS :? :?

Hey guys. back again. Has been some interesting times. After my post a guy named Larry who is a real estate agent in the states has over $15K on the line with Brett. he is a professional racer who based on Bret's promises is now in serious risk of loosing his sponsership. The police have taken this case up as it is seen as blatent fraud. Bret seams now to be aware of this and has finally contacted him and said that he would get his engine soon. For him I hope so. The sad part to all this now is that Bret has put his website up again which will no doubt catch other people in his trap. The better business bureau have listed bret as a problem, it would be good if his suppliers would take note and stop any terms he has in place so they don't get caught as well.

POPSPV...If you have information the police have taken up the other mans situation then I highly reccommend you contact them also if you have not already...I am going to repeat myself to anyone that has been scammed, please read the first 3 threads in this section and especially the 3rd as they will give you some good information and of course we all will be glad to help as much as possible...Good luck POPSPV

Done. I was the one who got him on to it. Still no luck for him with Bret. He sends the fraud pack Monday morning, his sponcer has ordered hima new engine elsewhere and Bret is going to be in more trouble than he can hope for. I know that I will never see my money again, i am comfortable with that now that i am sure that justice will see Bret in serious trouble. Anyone thinking of using him or currently has a job with him please stop now or try and get your cash back as when this charge is laid his business will disappear as we know it.

Fact is Bret's phone message still say he is racing and sponsering event prizes etc but he continues to rip clients off.

Bret spends alot of time over @ Speedtalk.com goes by the username SStrokerAce.

How do you know this is Bret Bowers of Bowers Racing Engines?

gimmemud. mate if you have any further contact details for him i would love to get them from you. Please email me on [email protected]

Ok I appolagise I just noticed the name Bret Bauer didnt notice the different spellings or locations, hope no one else gets him mixed up with the other one, the one on speedtalk seems pretty sharp.

Agreed. Fact is Bret Bowers is sharp also, builds a great engine etc just has gone through a bad patch and must have hit bottom as now he is stealing others hard earned cash to try and stay alive. His web site is off, clients ripped for potential $50K or more that I am aware of and now ripping suppliers, when you start doing that then you are generally at the end of your rope.

sprizefighter I was wondering if you ever got your engine and if you did are you happy with it.

Re: BOWERS RACING ENGINES
 

Well I am very glad that you even got your engine so that is great. But on June 12 th 2007 you said that he was shipping it any day and you got it yesterday thats 47 days later but I guess he was right about any day. And then you have to try to find out what you have on and in the engine. That is just over the top. Good luck on getting the info from Brett Bowers.

I was told that it was ready for a bout 6 weeks before my shipper finally picked it up. Then when recieved extras were missing. The engine is great, all bits an pieces for it were good. Larry recieved a picture of his engine and it is missing a stack of stuff, still not recieved and little or no contact from Bret.

Now his web site and phone number are all disconnected so looks like Bret has closed his doors and Larry and enyone elese will need to try and recover their money via legal action.

Atleast if he is closed he can not steal from anyone else.

I feel deeply sorry for the people that will lose their money and hope that some can recover from the loses. Well one more crook off the streets.