So Scot if This shortblock left you shop as A 454ci 4.185 bore + 4.125 stroke
How did we shrink the Bore down to 441 cubic inches 4.125 + 4.125 stroke :?:

We repaired the block You sent us and it still has the same serial number on it as when it left Dart and arrived at Dynoflo and then sent to us as A 454 shortblock .
So tell me and everybody else How did we shrink the Bore :?:
You called me Ignorant and uneducated
maybe so due to the fact that Myself & George Douklias trusted you to supply us with an engine of reasonable Quality.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...owtie1/001.jpg

The same two guys that check the torque, also check the bore :shock:
Now he will have to add a disclaimer note along with the customer to check the torque, to also check the bore diameter...

Holy Cow!!!!!!

Now not only has Scot not done a good job building the engine, he has mis-represented what it was.....hmmmmm....you know, what he did before was just plain bad business but mis-representation is a big no no in the eyes of the courts.

In my opinion Scot is setting himself up for a class action....wonder how many others have checked to see if what they bought is actually what they got :?:

Since he won't reply I wonder what his excuse would be for this one, or how he can blame you or George for it.

Just my opinions based on the facts before me.

Why is this engine so much cheaper than yours?Did you have extra upgrades?

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/80966...bled-new-.html

fastbowtie got the smaller bore/piston upgrade :shock:

heyehee..what ed said...

neahh really they ordered the complete shortblock, cam,oil pump,oil pan etc....vs what is advertised without all of that extra stuff

Shafiorff does the same thing..but calls the complete verison the DELUXE shortblock...i sort of hate using Shafiroff's name in the same subject ..I have heard some bad things there too but nothing close to what i have heard on this thread....the ad looks really good when you 1st glance.. wow !!!!! $4100 for a short block...but as you see it turns out to be $5400...etc...when in fact you can have very respectable builders such as PAR racing to do you a shortblock for about $300 more...call them and check it out for yourself....864-578-5622


i do believe one thing has been accomplished here...its the Biggest "largest replied to thread on RJ history..i do not see it being passed anytime soon.

over 18 thousand hits...lol..i know its some of the same people coming in and out but its still a freaky ton of exposure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brian

Looks like another case of bad buisness to me. Selling a lot for a little is a good way to get your rear in the sling! If you dont make any money on things, you simply cant make things right if you ever have a problem. I work in the engine room of a nascar nextel cup shop and build drag engines on the side. I have always looked at their ads and wondered "how do they get by selling things so cheap?" I mean, to do GOOD work it takes a little extra time and you can see by his prices, he dont have time to mess around! Time is money in a machine/race engine shop. All that labor for (i think it said) $185.00?
Balance rotating assembly (large stroke at that)
Debur block
Hone block
Check the deck
Mill the deck
Double check darts main line
Clearance block
wash block
Install cam bearings
pin fit the pistons and rods
fit bearing clearance
debur bearings
degree camshaft
fit rings

Just seems like an awefull lot of work for 185.00!!

Man, pay for good work and you cant go wrong!
Everyone makes mistakes. I missed the p to v on a 557 ford for a customer once. Dont know how it happined ( I think the dowl pins were bottomed out). Just got in a hurry and didnt check EVERY LITTLE THING. But I bought him new pistons, rings, new block, valves, and completely fixed that engine for him. I have since freshened it twice. He is a very happy return customer. Humans have errors. But the main thing is I faced up and did what was right. I wanted to fix it, I was embarused! But, if I had only charged him 500.00, I could not have fixed it.

Im not sure if he dont want to fix that small block, I just wonder if he has the capitol too??

Bad Bad Buisness.

Time is money, save the customer money on labor by being efficient. Not being in a hurry.

I sent Scot the email below yesterday morning and he replied back to me around 5pm .Whats funny is he says George is displeased with me
Thats funny George is My Best friend and by the time he finished reading it it had him scratchin his head .


Here is Scot,s reply

Scot Here is A hint you giving Japaniese Tourists shop tours dont count
I just had to say that before someone else did :lol:

maybe if he spent more time checking that the work is done right and less time on shop tours, he would not have these problems.

You'll notice he never did address the c.i. difference.

WAIT A MINUTE...this SCOT guy is dumber than i thought...i CANNOT believe he would even try to make the CLAIM THAT THIS EPISODE HAS INCREASED HIS BUSINESS...


ohhh HOW DOES THIS SOUND !!!!


i read an article that has been reviewed over 18,000 times on how you really screwed up a dudes motor...so WE JUST THOUGHT WE WOULD SPEND AN EXTRA $10,000 WITH YOU IF YOU WILL TAKE US ON A SHOP TOUR !!!!!!!! LMAO...

Come on man...thats some funny Shit right there Now....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Brian...i am still laughing..

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING
 

Well I pulled a satellite view of "this shop" and if tours are being taken they don't last 5 minutes and that includes coffee with the guys and time to inspect the torque wrench that made him famous..I heard it is now placed in a glass case and looks like the day it was bought new and is also known as "THE WRENCH YOU CAN SC*EW YOURSELF WITH" made in China...Boosted the shop tours HAHAHAHAHAHA who the hell you think your convincing? This is not a bunch of school kids, it WAS your customer base.

In responce to built_to_race
The $185 was for installing & degreeing the camshaft and installing the timing chain cover .
The rest of the additional money was for the Camshaft Oil pan Oilpump Pickup and Front Cover.
Not only are they having problems with torquing because they have TWO people to do it and then ask the customer to recheck their work .
They must be having trouble telling the difference between a A Boring Bar and A Finish Hone . :roll:

Scot Where did the 13 cubic inches go :?: :?:

Once again, scot steps up to the plate and strikes out big time, but if you ask him he will tell you he hit a home run...lmao

scot seems to suffer from delusions and believes his own lies.

again my opinions, but I think I am a pretty good judge of people.

just my .02 but why would a guy send letters to remove all the bad post on every web site when biz is up because of them. :roll: i'm just a little confused on this.

Good point, Let me see. You get bad feedback all over the net, and your business increases.. Yeah I'm buyin it.

18820 views of this thread. He's going to have to get a bigger shop......Scot reminds me of that river in Egypt....denile!

scott @ dynoflo
 

Scott, you couldn't give me one of your engines after reading this. and as what your saying about Donn (fastbowtie). Ive meet the man and have had dealings with him many times and he knows what he's saying and doing[/list][/quote]

I have read through this whole thread and was worried about my short block I bought from DynoFlo. I bought a 434 from Scott back in Jan 07. I just got done with the rest of the assembly a few weeks ago and dynoed it this past weekend @ Bob Wirth R&D in hayward Ca. I am very pleased with my motor. It made 602hp @ 6300rpm, and 559lbs @ 5000rpm. All the valvetrain and heads came from my 406. I am pleased with Scott's work. I picked the motor up from Scott when we picked up my freinds 582ci that made 959hp. We watched Scott dyno it. I am very happy with DynoFlo's work!

Congratulations Dragginby
We are all glad you got what you paid for, but let me say this also....If this thread had not been going you may right now be singing a different song...This man has got to get his act together or he will bankrupt himself...Think about it for a moment...You could be one of the ones that was not satisfied just as easily as the LIST of other people that were not as lucky as you were this time.....If he can get his act together great for him but the damage he has created for himself is not going away, people will not forget, so damage control is his game now to survive.....oh yea, and before you got your engine, if you were aware of this thread, I bet you could not have rammed a bb up your ass....

LMAO


SORRY DUDE...i am not laughing at you but perry HIT the nail on the head so hard is was funny as hell.....its damage control no doubt...what you would have been saying at this point if your rods bolts had fallen out is left up to the imagination...LOL..

brian

16 rod bolts and rods stuck where the sun don't shine!!!!!!!!!-----THAT WOULD CHANGE THE WORDS ALOT!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I just happened to be in the back yard picking up all my wrenches and especially the torque wrench when I thought about this thread...Funny how the brain works and how easy it is to move this thread right back up to the top where all us back yard mechanics can read it again and again....Would not want this jewel to get lost now would we... :lol:

dynaflo
 

Did the both of you receive spec sheet's on your motor's????Let us all know how long these motor's last????RCJ where were you when I was getting the run around?????and verbalized from only one person???and only now you start posting warning's??????and term's and conditions??When I called and complained, all that was said is that this is A open forum(correct me If I'am wrong)The guy messed up plain and simple and to inform other's is only the right thing to do!!!! I forgot It's all about advertising money, know matter who it is. :evil:

Re: dynaflo
 

So you had a problem with dynoflo too?

If so, please remind us what happened, and what scot did or said to you?

So far it has been documented that this engine was a complete, assembled shortblock from dynoflow. Not one rod bolt was torqued past finger tight. It was supposed to be a 454 sbc, it wasn't. and the list goes on.

All scot has done for the builder and owner is blame them and call them as well of most of us on this board, liars and idiots and has made threats to get us fired from our jobs.

I laugh at the utter incompetence and denial this man hides behind, at least thats the opinion I have formed from facts and personal dealings.

MORE INFO--MORE INFO---JUST HAVE TO HAVE LOT'S MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just keeping it real.....


c'mon scot be a man for once in your pathetic midget life and do the right thing by these guys you have so apparently screwed over.

My opinions still have not changed and if you think we believe that this thread has magically increased your business, you are more dillusional than I thought.


Again, these are all my opinions and have been based upon the information placed before me.

I wanted to say thank you to those of you who stepped to the plate and stated your experience with this builder.

There is no doubt in my mind that Dynoflo has built some good engines, but where there is smoke there is fire.

We were about ready to send them $10k for their 406 marine engine, we will look elsewhere now.

It would not surprise me if there problem is advertising and they have grown too big for the managment and quality control.

Thanks again,
Rick

UHHHHHHH Add another 10 grand to the lost revenue column.....This column will be the largest number in the sheet if it actually had a lost revenue column....And I guess the people on the tour will not get told about it either.....Yal'll watch your step on the tour or you are liable to step in hog crap...Thanks for stopping by ryoung99....

I see that scot has still refused to stand up and do what is right.

Now if he would take one of those guys that walks behind the other guys checking torque specs and had him actually make sure it was a 454 sbc instead of a 441 maybe it would have all been done correctly...oh wait I am fantasizing...

scot, make this right with Donn and George before you go bankrupt.

And no more lies about how god (i mean good) you are and how you double check everything, we know that is simply not true, if it were, every rod bolt would not have been finger tight and the engine would have been the correct bore and stroke.

you get what you pay for......
18 pages of bashing the lowest priced engine builder
is enough...you saved your money on the short end
and now your paying later-simple

You have no idea excelerater.
How do you figure any money was saved, that short-block has cost double what it ever should have.

Go read the entire piece and then make an informed decision.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.
No bashing here, just facts about a so called builder that not only did not torque bolts correctly, but could not even get the bore and stroke right.

Thanks for stopping by though

19 now but i don't think you would say that if it were your engine i think you may be on here looking for help also the fact is he screwed up and dont want to stand up.

excelerater I have tried to read your post between the lines and I read it as you are saying that Dyno flow has done a bad job. Am I right in my assumption. Because I feel that we may have taken you the wrong way. Wesley

I don't think so Woodsman, it reads to me that 18 pages was enough bashing, you bought from the lowest bidder, so you got what you paid for. At least that's the way it reads to me...

tporter I guess you are right. But I do respect the part about you get what you pay for in parts and service. I just wished they would have put the proper torque on those bolts and none of this would have happen. I sure feel bad for the guy's with the messed up engine. Wesley

STRANGE BUT TRUE
 

I find it odd that someone would want to say 18 pages is enough and then they start page 19....Is that an omen or something... HUMMMMMMM....Must be cause here we are on number 19 and it will not stop here...I know I was insulted by Scott's mouth and his attitude so why should I forgive and forget....after all what happens in Vegas is suppose to stay in Vegas, so I guess he can stay in Vegas......and his damn opinion....and his cheap priced engines and his work quality...

oh yes --the price you pay FOR RIPPING PEOPLE OFF/ AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN**********PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE^^^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:









*EDIT* Way to many astricks made the page too wide
Thanks Tom

HEY--ONCE THIS FINGER GETS POUNDING IT HAS A TIME OF STOPPING--OLD AGE!!! :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol: :lol:

Wes,

They even missed on the bore.
The engine was supposed to have been a 454 sbc.
After they had it checked it measured 441 ci.


If scot were any type of stand up man this would be resolved by now.

Thats my opinion anyhow