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Second and the part that is most important, We build these everyday. I've been building engines for 20 years and repairing cars for my living and i don't won't ANY CUSTOMER checking/handling rods or main bolts behind me in any fashion or form. I make a mistake every now and then. I can tell when it's my fault. There's a thing called "a stopping point". There's a reason for that also! Eliminates mistakes, such as this mistake! I can look @ the Photos and determine that engine was new. You mention 2005 too much in your posts. To me that sounds like your excuse. Assembled in 2005!! Still, it's your short block. It's still new You can believe one thing. Your buisness will suffer b-c of this one incident. The WWW is a powerful tool. Very!! |
You can believe one thing. Your buisness will suffer b-c of this one incident. The WWW is a powerful tool. Very!! Scot, you are loosing more money than if you had delt with it in a professional manner in the first place. Many people read these forums and dont post, so it is not just a few of us country hillbillies hanging out here. Just look, there are over 7000 views on this thread alone... that is a lot of hillbillies, isnt it? Even now, if you fixed the motor no charge and shipping no charge, the damage to your buissness is done.... It can take years to recover... Too bad, if your business is as good as you say it is.... Some guys will spend dollars to save pennies.... :roll: |
I really hate to get into this, but i have watched as Scott has refuted, denied any liability and seem to claim infalibility!
This company is not a custom-build high performance engine shop! They mass assemble motors with name brand high performance parts, but that in itself does not make it a custom built high performance motor just as me sleeping in the garage tonight does not make me a car!!!!!! i have a close personal friend who has one of their motors in his garage floor as we speak that he purchased 2 yrs ago to use as a twin turbo motor and he gave them the specs to build it by and when it arrived it had not been built to his specs therefore this motor will have to go to another machine shop and built right when we get ready to install it. yes, i said it was purchased 2 yrs ago but it's still in an engine bag and not been installed or fired therefore still new. if we installed it as it is and it self destructed, whose fault would that be? the information about the motor is fact, the reference to their being mass assemblers rather than Custom high performance builders is my opinion. |
WE ARE ALL WRONG AND HE IS RIGHT..GO FIGURE
I realize some people are reluctant to post for various reasons but they keep coming on board and we all realize the far reach this forum has into the racing world..This man in nearly all the post opinions has made a business mistake and then backed it with a personal attack on anyone that cares to post as he has lumped everyone together into 3 catagories according to his post..I also know that he has lost at least 3 orders that stated so on this forum and no telling how many we do not know about...This has become some of the most expensive "bad advertising' the man could have ever bought..I really hate to see someone shoot themselves in the foot by bad decisions and then backed them up by saying he would replace the block and reniging on that and blaming others as his reason...Sir, you have made your bed and therefore you are now lying in it...This many people can not be wrong and "you" as one person be right :!: :!: Let this be an example to the next problem child...
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:( :( :( SUSPENCE!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Here is the last message exchange I had with the fine folks at dynoflo....
From: chevguy65 To: dynoflo Date: 2007-04-02 08:08:02 Subject: Re: 454 sbc Re: Ad #809660 Message: Look, I am not threatening to slander anyone, I just want the facts. He bought a completed and assembled short block, so why would he question your work (if your so reputable)when he assembled the rest of the engine? If you assembled it, it is your responsibility to make it right, whether the rod bolt was under torqued or over torqued and stripped. You may be a reputable company, but guess what, mistakes happen, maybe your second torque wrench guy stripped it and didn't say anything because the short block was already over due to go out. I am just saying be man enough to make it right if your company made it's 1st mistake. On [2007-04-01 22:45:30] chevguy65 wrote: > " Thanks for accusing instead of asking what the facts are the way we see it and then drawing a conclusion from information from both sides. > " > > I never accused I did ask. > You say you NEVER had a failure and I find that hard to believe, everyone has. > > Now, I have also seen that your workmanship has been in question before, so again I find your story even harder to believe. > > I tried to have you defend yourself and explain what may have happened, instead you send me excuses and in your words, blame the other guy. > > You say you torque and re-torque the rod bolts, but obviously you dropped the ball on this one, otherwise the bolt would not have dropped in 8 minutes. > > This is the type of excuse making I have heard before from other so called builders. > > > LOL, I just noticed you say you have no idea who I am talking about and then say "I did offer to check it out and tell them what I felt happened" so either you are lying or cannot keep your make believe seperated from reality. > > This is my opinion, based on what I have heard from both sides. > > > On [2007-04-01 21:50:14] dynoflo wrote: > > I do appreciate your desire to communicate in this fashion, about an issue that is quite simple. First I have no idea who the person is, as well as how long ago that they purchased this short block. however, i do know that things happen after these shortblocks that are shipped, and that the folks who work on them, may or may not know anything about what they are doing, i also know that these folks in their garages make a bunch of mistakes. Second and the part that is most important, We build these everyday. There is no one more familiar with these parts than us. We don't ever have any failures of these rods or their bolts, which leaves the torque procedure, which it seems that so many people cannot get right, but we actually follow the directions from arp on these fasteners, and then i have a second person with a second torque wrench double check all the torques on the engine prior to shipping. this avoids silly people making claims of our impropriety. so this does make the likelyhood that something else happened very likely. I did offer to check it out and tell them what I felt happened, but I guess it is easier to try to blame the other guy than step up to the plate. people do a bunch of stuff to their own stuff that they want to blame the world for their issues, and then they tell their friends to email stuff like this. Tell the "mechanic" to do his job right instead of pointing at everyone else. 8 minutes, you really have to suck to screw up that badly. I have very high standards of excellence and I can assure you that this won't be the first time I have been blamed for someone else's deal. Thanks for accusing instead of asking what the facts are the way we see it and then drawing a conclusion from information from both sides. > > > > On [2007-03-31 21:46:59] chevguy65 wrote: > > > Hi, I have never dealt with you personally so this is coming second hand from a good friend that I feel is honest and would have no reason to lie to me. > > > > > > He has stated that you built one of these short blocks for him and after running for only 8 minutes it popped a rod bolt and chewed the engine. He also states you are unwilling to stand behind your work and make it right for this guy. > > > > > > If this is the case, how do you expect to stay in business, word travels fast in the racing community as well as the internet, perhaps you have seen the scammer section. > > > > > > I am in no way making threats, just giving you some advice and asking if this is true. > > > > > > Like I said I only have one side of the story and would like to hear yours. |
I THINK SCOTT IS NOT SEEING THE TRUE PICTURE HERE---------THE ROD DIDN'T FAIL FIRST--THE ROD BOLTS CAME LOOSE FROM NOT BEING TORQUED PROPERLY---PRETTY SIMPLE REALLY---JUST TAKE CARE OF IT AND I PERSONALLY WILL RECOMMEND DYNOFLO JUST FOR TAKING CARE OF THEIR CUSTOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!----WAIT A MINUTE DAGNABIT--I AIN'T A PROFFESIONAL ENGINE BUILDER--GOLLY I AM TUPID A DUM :lol: :lol:
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(((dynoflo said this,.We are the real deal and have been. we do this all in house.)) dynoflo your using those words very loosely your the real deal. please the only thing i see all over the internet is you don't stand behind your work and have made a ton of stupid mistakes. i guess that all those guys are wrong to. it's to bad that you not smart enough to see how many have already read the post and how many have turned away from you. it's only going to get worse and this is not going away you screw one you screw all. this could have only cost you 4000 but by the time this is over it could cost you in the tens of thuosands. you claim you have records big deal. the only records i see is the amount of times you screw something up and blame the other guy for it. AND AS FAR AS THE RECODS I WOULD BET MY LIFE ON IT THAT THERE IS NO ONE IN YOUR SHOP THAT CAN PORT A SET OF PRO STOCK HEADS AND MAKE THEM RIGHT. SO IF YOU DO HAVE A CAR OR A RECORD IN IHRA PROSTOCK IT DIDN'T COME FROM YOU. YOU NEED TO TELL WERE YOU GOT THE HEADS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T DO THEM AND THERE NO WAY THEY CAME FROM IN HOUSE SO THERE'S ONE MORE LIE. IF YOU PUT THE ENGINE TOGATHER THEN LIKE WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG YOUR JUST THE GUY THAT BOLTS STUFF TOGATHER. I'M USING THE BOLT TOGATHER VERY VERY LOOSELY. YOU CAN ONLY SCREW SO MANY BEFORE IT COMES BACK AND BITS YOU IN THE REAR.
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there has been 8610 people that has veiwed this port. that cant be good for buissness
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uhhhhh Avery, I looked at it twice so reduce that by number by one, but I did tell 25 people about it in person so they would all know.....Does that still mean 8610 :?: :lol: :lol: Boy I would like to buy some "good advertising" for what this would have cost in the beginning to work with the customer in correcting the situation...This sure is a hell of a lot of "bad advertising" for a small amount it would have cost to eat a few parts out of $2 million in inventory.....Agreed anyone :?: Can I get ah 'Hell Yea"..................
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hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllll yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa button stuck sorry
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Good to see this info - I am having trouble with a diff engine builder I chose about a year ago - yes one year ago!!! I paid the guy upfront and he ran into financial problems and I have paid the ultimate price. No motor YET and out the money. Supposedly he is still working to make the deal right......long story that I previously posted in the Scammer section.
Motor is suppose to come soon- HOWEVER IF NEED BE AND I HAVE TO SELECT A NEW BUILDER WITH 100% CERTAINTY I WILL NOT BUY FROM DYNOFLO after reading the history and more importantly the responses from the owner. Local builders will always work out best IMO. |
Dynoflo
Scot I mean me being A side yard mechanic and all, I was just wondering WERE IS THE SPEC CARD ON THE WHOLE MOTOR AND BEING BALANCED AND BLUEPRINTED AND ALL< don't tell mee ya through it away????what did the mains plastigage out to? what were each rod????with the arp rod bolt, after torquing twice(ya right)How many time did you rotate assembly???Show us the spec card???They tought me this in side yard mechanic's aintch ya aver seen that, it's on saturday morning's,You affended alot of people buy your comment's, and I don't care If you have 5 guy's torque everything down, when that motor left your shop It should of had the no,1 grade A stamp on it ready to go!!come on 8 minute's come on????beleive me I've done my reseach and this is not the only unhappy customer you have had, and guess what _____It happens Be A man and rectify this situation,I'll tell ya one I was restoring A 68Z took two year'sbought the motor out of Hemming's buy the time it got to the shop somehow it had A crack in one cylinder the man said ya it's in the mail ya right Hemming's took him out of the book for one month and he called me cryin sayin how I hurt his bussiness,I told him If ya would of took care of me sooner this would not have happened, and beleive me IT'S HURTIN YOU NOW, :evil: :evil: SO IT GOES TO SHOW YA Can either be A man and work together to make this A good deal???or loose money in the long run,Ya Affended Alot Of Peaple!!!!!! I have 3 very nice rides at least that's what I'm told, built them all in the side yard, let's all just get along life's to short as it is!!!
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A couple years ago when I was looking for a big cubic inch engine for my dragster at the time. I really was looking at dynoflo stuff.
I went on DRR and asked around, I did not hear one good thing about them. I tried to search the topic but it has been too long ago and DRR has since switched servers. But I remember one of the posts very well, it stated you wouldnt find any people in and around vegas using their products with much success or HP. Now I dont know if any of that is true, but when I was looking to build, I asked around. I knew then I would go somewhere else. |
wow this topic has really took off
I wish drr didnt delete there was some good topics on there that really did tell the story about dynoflo also |
About right now I would be re-considering my stand....As I said in an earlier post."All these people can not be wrong and ONE MAN be right"...Man this is like getting lynched and then they lynch ya again and again to make sure your dead....Southern Style....
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9386 keeps climbing dnyo dude
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9770 people and counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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if nothing else we need to keep posting these numbers to keep this post on the top and not forgot about
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Well Scot Slotten Of DynoFlo Ive held off posting anything else lately Just to see if you might STEP UP and try to solve this but I geuss thats not the case .Ive given you several chances and Im giving you 1 more Tomorrow I will be going down to Southern Style Racing Engines to pick up the Breakdown Spec Sheet I already know what it says and Im Not just talking about the Rod bolts but even they were checked with A Stretch gauge .After hearing everything that George Pils at Southern Style Racing Engines Found I can understand Why you offered to do the Complete engine so we didnt have to check it out .But as I said before do to the way you handled this whole nightmare That Wasnt an Option.
I will be Scanning & posting the findings before the weekends out .and I would like to how you explain them. All I will say for now is that I hope for everyones sake that has ever purchased A Shortblock from you or anything else that was assembled at DynoFlo that their purchase was built far better than this 454ci SBC was .Scot If your hoping that all of this will just go away IT WONT As A matter of fact Its just getting Started How About Satelite Radio Shock Jocks Like Bubba The Love Sponge & Howard Stern can sure get a message out Loud & Clear .Think about it Scot Ive actaully held back on you really BUT time Is running out .And to think it really would have taken SO little at first to make all this go away . |
not sounding good for dyno
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well i spoke with Don (fastbowtie) for 78 minutes tonight..whats that 1hr 18 minutes ??....i wanted to hear about the Dyno-flo conversation 1st hand....and trust me getting it 1st hand is sooo much worse then reading about this on the internet...
all i can say is this..Scott you would not have spoken to me in person the way you did Don on the phone..but after speaking with Don i do not think you would have spoke to him in person the way you did on the phone..i have been in the trenches and seen society at its worse and its best, being ex lawenforcement ..(city and state)...with this said i want to say "i know your type"..Soo many hero's who stand 7ft tall and 400lbs of pure muscle on the phone and computers...LOL....yeah i know your type.. 8) 8) I also know what the final build sheet says that George pil wrote up and trust me your not gonna like this one bit....and you think it cost you some business before..well you ain't seen nothing yet if this sheet gets posted..and you want to know why?..cause anyone can make a mistake of not properly torquing some bolts..WE ALL SHADE TREE MECHANICS CAN RELATE TO THIS...and can over look and still buy from you...HOWEVER..WHAT THIS BUILD SHEET IS GOING TO UN-COVER IS GONNA SCARE AWAY ANY FANS THAT WERE STRADDLING THE FENCE WITH YOU ON THIS ISSUE.. now you know i was going to buy a shortblock from you here real soon..you got my PM'S to prove it..I CAN POST THEM ON HERE IF ANYONE DOUBTS ME..and this was long before this incident happened. WELL YOU CAN REST ASSURE THIS THREAD JUST COST YOU ANOTHER $5400...... WHAT THE HECK..BELOW IS MY MESSAGE TO DYNO FLO I SENT BACK ON 3-25-07..REFERENCE TO A SHORTBLOCK PURCHASE..HERE IS MY PROOF IN CASE ANYONE ON HERE THAT MAY THINK I AM JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON..THIS WAS THE MAIN REASON I REMAINED QUITE FOR SOO LONG...PLEASE READ BELOW..I CAN POST HIS(SCOTT'S REPLY) IF ANYONES REQUEST.. From: bjuice To: dynoflo Date: 2007-03-25 16:02:44 Subject: Re: Ad #809638 Message: Hello Scott; i am getting close to deciding what to order on my shortblock combo....Please give me a price on a standard deck 582... i need this broke out part for part..i would like the complete shortblock..i want it to where all i need to do is bolt on my heads and intake...i assume you will degree the cam shaft into place and TDC will be located.... please give me the exact cost including shipping and the time frame involved..also i assume you take VISA for payment... i am thinking 582ci..what kind of power do you think this conmbo will make with a set of bb2 heads ?...also i want the shortblock set up primarly for HORSEPOWER,,but if i wanted to spray it a 200 shot i would be ok...i just do not want to sacrifice a bunch of horsepower cause i DO NOT want an all all spray motor....also as of now i am using the conventional 24 degree heads..what would need to be done if i hever wanted to do with a Big duke,or big chief,RAy franks profiler heads down the road as my budget allows... again the taxes are in and i am really trying to figure out my best route to go..feel free to throw your opinions my way... thanks Brian |
thats got to hurt to dyno. why is it so hard to say your not perfect and you made a mistake. we are all humans we make mistakes often if we admit it are not
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ROLL ON ROLL ON
Damn this just gets better...Only thing that would make this better is if I was in the engine building business...Always like to see the competition take a stumble and sales drop cause mine will go up...From all I have read this situtation is something that has happened to others but they just did not have the venue to really get it the attention it deserved...Well let me tell you, it has got it now...I bet that $2 million in inventory could stand to be reduced some now and put the funds back into operating capitol....I was one of the people insulted, even though I pay no attention to hog crap til I step in it, so I am getting my jollies now..."SO ROLL ON FASTBOWTIE ROLL ON"....
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Scot Slotten of DynoFlo
Incase you forgot My Tel# is 727-560-8549 and George Douklias,s # is 727-463-8453 I suggest you call him first since it is his engine All I need from you is an Apoligy Because I dont let my wife talk to me the way you talked to me Why should I allow you to do it . Apoligizing to the good people on this Website for what you have said about them is entirely up to you. But I do reccomend it due to the thing you have said about everyone. Donn Waters |
I have to make some popcorn. This is getting good.
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oh yeah! 100% certain no purchases from Dynoflow. pass it on!
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so.......... where is the crime scene investigation sheet , kinda tired of commercials i wanna see the show !!!!!!!!
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Donn, thanks for recommending to dyno that they appologize, not only to you but to us. If they are the "profesionals", I'm glad I'm a shade tree mechanic!!! :) The last motor I built in `86 is still running fine (a little tired, but still running!) Good talking to you the other day, Donn.
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Well guys I haven't posted the breakdown sheet and it looks like I won't be able to. The reason being is that Southern Style Racing Engines will not provide me with one due to possiblity of litigation due to the condeming nature of the findings.
I do see his point however it is A letdown for me. But here are some things that were found: 1 The Crankshaft was too light on the front throw Mallory was add to it to correctly ballence it . 2 All 8 connecting rods were not torqued only hand tight . 3 The Camshaft lockplate & thrust button were not installed correctly 4 Some if not most of the ring gaps were in excess of 0.020 thousandths. 5 Piston to pin clearances were only half a thousandths. 6 Rod to pin clearances were also half a thousandths . They appear to have been removed from the boxes and assembled but never checked or properly Clearanced . Yes this was A fairly inexpensive Shortblock when purchased 5 grand but there is No excuse for the shoddy workmanship even if it was a mass produced with the exception of the Pistons & camshaft that I requested it should have been built with a little more care . As I said before in order to keep the cost down DynoFlo has to cut corners somewhere. Well we found out where the hardway. ANYWAY It Still doesnt give Scot Slotten the rite to cut down people on this site or Me for that matter . |
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Let me get this straight..... A real engine builder...(take note Scot)...pulls the motor completely apart, and discovers all of the above mentioned items either done wrong or not done at all. And yet Scot seems to want to blame you and everyone else under the sun. In fact he has stated that it is your responsibility to make sure his work is done right, so you buy a inexpensive assembled shortblock, get it and tear it all down to ensure everything was done right and now your relatively cheap engine has just jumped up in cost, and if you have to re do any of Scot's work, another jump in cost, so where is the deal? Buy from Scot and end up re-doing his sloppy work, or spend a few bucks more and get a quality engine done right...I will go with the latter. And to think, all Scot had to do was be a man and step up for a mistake he made and all this would have gone away....hell an apology for acting like an ass and it all would have gone away, but unfortunately he has short man's disease and needs to be an asshole to make up for his lack of height and the fact he can't see over the steering wheel of his car without a pillow to sit on. jmho |
anyone else got this email????
May 3, 2007 Dyno-Flo Scot Slotten 1180 Center Point Drive Suite B Henderson, NV 89074 Phone:(702)567-3035 Fax:(702)567-3036 To: Jay Nakamura [email protected] [email protected] Email sent 5/3/2007 URGENT: Cease and Desist with Malicious Content found on multiple sites Dear Sirs, It has come to our attention that you are allowing defaming and slanderous material about Dyno-Flo and Scot Slotten to be posted on your site while facilitating its distribution. This letter constitutes a demand for immediate retraction of these false and libelous statements to be accompanied with written confirmation that neither you or your company will facilitate this malicious and false information to be repeated. Specific Location of said Material: Multiple pages http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/t...882#1841055882 http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/t...372#8321032372 http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/t...582#6031061582 http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/t...882#2981012882 http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/t...372#7821062372 http://forums.racingjunk.com/viewtopic.php?t=2456 Your failure to correct your erroneous and false statements and their repetition after notice of their falsehood constitutes further publication of libel. It also confirms your malicious intent. If after 48 hours of receiving this letter you do not remove the requested material, and cease and desist from tortuous interference and making false and malicious comments about Dyno-Flo, it's officers, and its programs, we will file suit against you seeking to recover all damages and costs associated with this matter. Please govern yourself accordingly. We appreciate your sense of urgency in seeking to resolve this matter. Please send all correspondence to 1180 Center Point Drive Suite B, Henderson, NV 89074 Sincerely yours, Scot Slotten Owner, Dyno-flo, LLC Encl: Copy of Material and Posting THANKS FOR YOUR INQUIRY IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THE BEST WAY TO REACH US FOR INFO OR PAYMENT TO DYNOFLO ; WWW.DYNOFLO.COM 1180 CENTER POINT DR HENDERSON, NV 89074 PHONE (702)567-3035 FAX (702)567-3036 OUR HIGH PERFORMANCE SALES STAFF IS EAGER TO ASSIST YOU; |
Holy Moly :lol: , Thanks for the links... looks like a lot of guys not happy with this dude...
That letter is from Scot himself, not even from his lawyer :shock: Cease and disist letters come for lawyers. It aint slander if it is true.... :lol: |
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