Well like i have said you do owe someone, and you need to stop running around the bush and do the right thing Pay who you owe, Either twinfogger or paypal :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

Mr. Dwight , I don't know you or have never done business with you , but if a man pays for a product and you don't ship the product and you still have the mans money months later , then something is not right with you business practices,,,this is my opinion from the facts I have read on this forum , I think you need to do whatever it takes to settle this with fogger TODAY to help clear your name of your business..If not then it looks very bad for you business...alot of people WORLD wide read this forum... like I said this is just MY opinon..Paul

You guys understand that if his cc company has already given him back his money and I pay him as well, then he has gotten me for 3320.00? I appreciate everyones input and I will investigate and hopefully have an answer by the end of the day.

I filed a dispute because I paid you for overnite shipping and you didn't deliver and apparently never had the intentions of doing so. I don't do business with Paypal anymore. Nor do I have the same bank so refunding thru Paypal won't amount to anything and you know it. You are a crook and a thief and everyone knows it. You won't answer to any of the facts of this matter either. You know I didn't dispute this with my bank because you told me thru PM that I should cause people do it all the time.

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When he disputed the transaction, Why didn't you didn't you refund the money to paypal and be done with it? They would've refunded his money and it would've been done.

I doubt it :!: :!: :roll: :roll: Still be running around the bush this time next week :!: :!:




''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

BINGO. And how is he still using Paypal? Did he sign up for a new acct or what since as he said he is having a dispute with them now that's not been settled when this happened back in June. Paypal settles disputes pretty quickly.

sorry , that makes no sense , how is returning money someone paid you ,,"GETTING TOOK" you would only be out the money he gave you to start with...

You disputed it because your intention was to not to have to pay for the boxes. Just like the first time. Are you telling me that you did not dispute your purchase the first time you ordered from me. I clearly remember seeing the money taken back out of my account that following Monday. Luckily I had already verified it with PayPal and they gave me my money back. I will find those records as well. You had those four boxes overnighted as well. Why so many and why overnight. The only thing I am trying to do here guys is show a pattern. I don't think I am beating around the bush, like I said, if I'm wrong, I will make it right.

Another thing.....Dwight didn't you say that Paypal took the money from you and then you just said that kyspeedparts has MY money.....which is it Dwight? Get your lies straight......

It would be getting took if he was already paid back by PayPal or his cc company. If anyone is owed, it would be PayPal. If I pay him and he had been refunded, then that means he keeps his 3300 and gets my 3300.00.

NOOOO you would be the one "Taking" somebody. You have $3320 for parts you never sent out!

BS Dwight. I disputed it because you didn't deliver on what I paid you for. And disputing it with Paypal garauntees the buyer NOTHING if the seller steals the money like you did. So what did it I get out of my dispute with Paypal? NOTHING, what can't you understand. No I didn't dispute the 1st time, I used an Instant Transfer the 1st time which went thru my bank and not debit card. So stop with the lies and BS....and if you had that trouble on the 1st order why didn't you ever contact me about it? Why didn't you tell me when I contacted you for the 2nd order that you had those issues and wasn't doing business with me? You never said anything but we discussed the order and I paid you. Why not refund me immediately? Why accept money to begin with? Why not refund me during the dispute with Paypal? Why did you put MY money into your acct knowing as you said you chose NOT to do business with me? So many questions, very few answers from you Dwight. I wasn't ordering these for me, they were for friends and other racers I knew.

answers please Dwight...

lets try to get answers orderly
 

Lets try this:

Fogger:

When you set up paypal for a payment transaction; you can designate one of three methods:

1) you can have Paypal charge your checking acoount, or

2) you can have Paypal charge your credit card,

3) you can use your Paypal balance.

You had to do one of these; which one? there are no other choices either your account, your paypal balance or your CC.

If we get the exact answers, I am going to bet the liar becomes real clear, becsuse since Fogger and KYSpeed are both saying different things about a transaction both were party to; logically we have some one who isnt telling the truth.

So Fogger please answer the question above; you are on the Forum at eaxatly the time I posted this- so now would be a good time.

Dwight has already made things crystal clear here for everyone. The 1st order I ever done with him it was an Instant Transfer which is set up to come out of my bank acct as everyone who knows or has dealt with Paypal knows. The 2nd time I ordered parts from him they charged my debit card.

I dont think so on the second transaction. Either they bumped your checking account balance through the bank (this is the link you set up with them where they deposit the pennies in your account and request you verify), or you used up your electronic balance with them, or you paid him by designating a link to your credit card.

A debit card would be linked to your checking account or possibly savings.

So by saying that it hit your debit card; are you saying that the $3320 was removed from your checking account?

Really this is a yes or no question.

I have been pretty consistent here...answered all questions truthfully as well answer them quickly....Dwight on the other hand has not been consistent at all....

Fogger- I really dont care about Dwight on this question.

Could you just answer it? here at this point?

Did Paypal pull this from your checking or savings account?

Debit card transactions come straight from my checking acct like most others. There's nothing different about mine. They took the $3320 off immediately. The 1st time it was debited from my bank acct within a day or so but there was no issues on the 1st order. The 2nd order is the 1 in question.

Dwight- you owe Fogger $3320. Pretty simple- no excuses.

He was directly debited by Paypal, amount went to your Paypal account, you withdrew it and then Paypal couldnt charge you back. You likely closed your account after.

He could not dispute a CC since it wasnt used. And btw, even if he did- your deal was through Paypal, so how he paid theoretically wasnt relevant- if he had gotten it twice; that was the CC's issue to go after him not yours.

You owe him and you will lose in court-

Fogger:

Using the Paypal transaction ID or pulling the statement the bank sent you while you were a customer and this transaction occurred, use the picture posting instructions under general discussion on this site. Post that report for back-up documentation.

Dwight pay him - you owe him $3320 plus interest- no question.

ok been seeing this go on for some time made a couple coments seems to some degree i was wrong heres my opinion if twin collected back from bank and bank got it from paypal then kentucky speed gives money to paypal if proven that money never returned by bank and proven so then i concur with scorp and pay the man and some interest but in my opinion until proof by both parties is given up then gonna go on forever as on big pissing match

What more proof do I need? Kyspeedparts said he has my money. He said he never refunded me or sent the parts. What else do I need to do? Dwight knows he owe me $3320. Dwight has already said that he closed his Paypal acct and that he deposited my money into his acct. Pretty cut and dry. This happened in June. He has $3320 of mine. He has already said that.

call me old fashion but i like hard prrof bank statements corrisondence with bank on out come ect. and if you are proven right by hard evedence i will be here personally saying sorry and eating crow for making a mistake

I filed a dispute with Paypal, not my bank. I never contacted them about this transaction. They called me right when I did the transaction so they could verify it was me that authorized this transaction. Once I authorized it I could never dispute it. I authorized the charge. They wouldn't release the funds to Paypal til after they talked to me. Dwight knows this because I contacted him after they called me. And he confirmed that he had the money and everything was cool yet he never sent the parts. I then called him and he gave me his word it could go out in the morning. Never showed up, I filed a dispute with Paypal and didn't get a dime back as you can see from the email I received from Paypal because Kyspeedparts had already stolen the money by depositing it into his acct as he also confirmed on here. Kyspeedparts said he has my money. He claims its an on going dispute going with Paypal that's apparently has been going on since June. Call me old fasion but that sounds like BS to me. It hasn't stopped him from doing business with Paypal and continuing to use it to run his business.

Your debit card works just like a regular cc. You can dispute payments with it the same way. I know your lying about not disputing the first charges because the card was tied to an apartment address. It was disputed as soon as you recieved the parts, but I'm not even going to dwell on that. If you give me a little time here, I will have an answer from PayPal. I'm not and havn't avoided any answers and think I have covered everything for you fogger.

Sounds like ky owes $3320 to paypal. Paypal would in return pay you. That way is is processed back exactly the way ky recieved it. Paypal would then show it was taken care of and not have it hanging out there forever as unresolved.

edited for my poor typing :?

Dwight
You owe the man his money. I know exactly how you pulled this off because I do the same with all my paypal stuff. I remove money from my paypal only bank account so it can't be hacked and me lose all that is in that account. You move money the same, except for maybe a different purpose than I. It has become real clear here you owe the guy and you are just getting deeper and deeper. If you pay him his money I am sure he will contact paypal and dismiss this claim therefor you won't be paying twice. After all, you have this thread of 300 messages to verify your side if he does what you already did, SCAM THE SYSTEM. You are nuts if you think anybody believes you don't remember stealing $3320 from someone you assumed had bad intentions. He paid the first time AND THE SECOND TIME.

NOW PAY THE MAN AND MAKE THIS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone, I just got off the phone with PayPal. I spoke with a representative named Leanna, employee id # 41853. She tells me exactly what I have told everyone...twinfoggersbc did file a dispute with his bank, his bank in turn filed a dispute with PayPal. PayPal in turn tried to pull the money back out of our account but there was a zero balance. Therefore they had no choice but to pay back the the cc company the 3320.00 he spent because he did not recieve any merchandise. He is a liar and a thief and I want an appology from him. I am including an e-mail attatchment that I just recieved back from PayPal stating that his money was refunded to him. Whether I owe PayPal or not is not the issue, the issue is that this guy is trying to give my business a bad name. He is the liar and the crook. I have been working with PayPal to pay them back and have not taken a PayPal payment probably since June of last year. Please read this carefully. Thanks to everyone for your support.

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Hello Dwight Workman,

As you know, we have been using the information you provided to dispute a
chargeback filed against the transaction detailed below. Despite our best
efforts, the buyer's credit card company decided in favor of the buyer.

Unfortunately, we do not control the outcome of the chargeback decision
reached by the buyer's issuing bank in a credit card transaction. By
accepting the terms of the PayPal User Agreement, you agreed to accept the
decision of the issuing bank as final and legally binding for this type of
dispute.

Please review the information below for more details about this case.

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Details of Disputed Transaction
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Buyer's name: J Harper
Buyer's email: [email protected]
Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Case #: PP-732-695-982
Your transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V


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What to Do Next
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We encourage you to contact the buyer directly to try to resolve the matter
or to recover your merchandise.

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
a check to the following address:

PayPal
Attn: Accounting Department
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145-0950
United States
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Due Dates
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None.


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There are no other details regarding this transaction at this time.


Thanks for your patience and cooperation. We appreciate your business.
Thanks,

PayPal
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Slow- Dead on.

KySpeed owes $3320 to Fogger. What Fogger may have done with his bank is NOT RELEVANT and Debit cards DO NOT work like CC's. Sorry KYSpeed that argument doesnt float.

1) Fogger authorized paypal to disburse funds to KY Speed, he received them.
2) KySpeed does one of two things 1) ships item, or 2) refunds money.
3) He did neither by his own admission.

Dwight you know as soon as he authorized paypal to pay you, the money was pulled from his account- thats how it works.

So heres your questions dwight:

1) Did you get $3320 from Fogger? (Yes or No)
2) Did you ship an item? (yes or no)
3) Did you withdraw $3320 from your paypal account? (yes or no)

If you didnt ship the item and if you didnt return the cash, then when fogger gets you in court the judge is going to take a little bite out of your hiney.

BTW if you got the money through paypal, then what difference does it make what he does with his bank? You already have the cash and you didnt ship anything. When you put it back in your account then paypal reclaims it and sends it back to him.

youre not dealing with a credit card company - he cant dispute it with them and if he does then they go after Paypal- not you- and paypal wont have anything to take out of your account.

Pretty slick Dwight

I need more than that. Especially since they specifically said "they could not recover any funds" and will try if the funds become available. Your account is closed, therefor availability will be NEVER. It still speaks to your character that after all this time you still have not cleared up your paypal mess.

I also won a dispute from paypal from a set of headers from eBay. The gentelman from Wisconsin scammed me. I got my money from my credit card refunded for winning. They (paypal) promptly took the money from my backup source, MY BANK ACCOUNT.

Ball is squarely in your court to explain why you do business the way you do???
You clearly owe one of the two???? WHICH ONE

You are either a crappy businessman or a not so smart scammer?????

You are so full of shit you stink Dwight, its funny you come up with all of this now and not when this first came up with. I haven't gotten 1 dime from you and you know it. You owe me $3320 and you think I'm going to give you an apology for you stealing $3320 from me? Are you kidding me? You me $3320 but I'm supposd to apologize to you because you stole from me. You are a thief and stole from me and YOU have the money and have admitted it. You have an ongoing dispute with Paypal that's been going on since June? Riiiight.

blownalky3, it says "We encourage you to contact the buyer directly to try to resolve the matter
or to recover your merchandise.

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
a check to the following address:"

It cleary says that his money was given back to him via his cc dispute. PayPal says he used a cc. Again, debit cards work the same way. It say "we encourage you to contact the buyer to resolve this matter or to recover your merchandise". That means he was refunded his money. Wether I own PayPal or not has nothing to do with fogger. He was paid back. I owe PayPal and have been on a repayment plan with them.

I don't see anything on that , that says anybody was reimbursed anything ..
FOGGER , I want to ask you one question , don't blow up .just answer it yes or no , please..
did you ever recieve this money back from ANYBODY?? NOT ASKING DOES HE STILL HAVE THE MONEY , , BUT DID YOU OR YOUR BANK EVER RECIEVE MONIES BACK ON THIS DEAL AT ANY TIME , FROM ANYBODY???REAL SIMPLE , YES OR NO,,,,THANKS

Your the one that asked me for proof. I did my part. Now where is your statement from your cc company saying that you didn't receive the money from PayPal? Come, help me out here. If you didn't get your money back from your cc company, it may be woth you contacting them. That's worth 3320.00 isn't it? Contact PayPal. I posted the ladies name and employeed number. What else would you like me to do? Come on man...

So the story changes again Dwight? You're an obvious crook and everyone has figured it out. So now you're on a reimbursement plan? Its funny you haven't mentioned that til now. Stop with the lies. Also earlier you said Paypal took the money from you already and then you said that kyspeedparts had MY MONEY. Which is it? You're a liar and its clear. If Paypal already took the money why are you on a reimbursment plan? Get your lies straight...

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
a check to the following address:

PayPal
Attn: Accounting Department
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145-0950
United States


I think this says that I need to reimburse PP. They had already paid his cc company back.

Why don't you stop beating around the bush. I gave my proof. Where's yours?! Call PayPal and talk to your own representative. Have them send you an e-mail saying your weren't reimbursed. It took me all of 15 minutes to find out and get an e-mail confirmation.

I never received anything back for this transaction. I filed a dispute with Paypal and he had already stolen the money so they weren't able to recover any of my funds. I stopped doing business with that bank right after that. There was no money he stole it. Paypal didn't have anything to give me, Dwight had already stole the money. He knows what he did. And if after that Had Dwight made things right I figure my bank would of contacted me had Paypal gave them any money on my behalf since I closed my acct with them. I wouldn't be going thru this had I got my money Dwight stole.

Fogger, we need an answer to this please. A simple yes or no, if You were reimbursed by a credit card company, then you have no funds to gain here...