So mitch,

let me see if I have your logic straight.

I am having a motor built right now by a Professional.
It will be here next week, and according to you, since I will be putting on the altenator, power steering pump etc, that I should tear the engine down and redo it to make sure what I paid good money and put my trust in a professional to do in the first place.

Hmmm, interesting theory but I doubt there are 5 people on the planet that pay someone to do a job and then tear it down to make sure it was done right.

Mitch I forgot to mention Monday morning the Rod is being sent to Eagle to have it checked to see if it was defevtive .But when George Pils at SSRE
tells the owner of the motor and myself that the rod bolts were loose you tend to believe him .

You buy a short block,what happens after you final assemble is your problem.
You buy a complete motor (which is normally dyno'd) it leaves with the reutation of the builder.Adding external parts like an ALT or a water pump really dont come into play much,unless of course you install a bad water pump and overheat the bitch.
Your inexperience burned yourself,and it happens as part of life dood.

mitchz,your so full of sh-t i can smell you from here. make your way out of dynoflo's colon and start breathing good air doood.

your just an inexperienced noob.......

20 yrs building racing engines with countless records. ya your right i'm the dumb one. please forest go read somemore hotrod mags.

Now Slowman cut Mitch a little slack If he feels that everyone that purchases a shortblock or an undynoed motor is responcible for making sure that the builder did it correctly thats his oppinion.
Even though when any of us that spend a large sum of our hard earned money we have certian expectations that what we recieve would be assembled correctly.
But Mitch you should reread the entire post and look at the pics it would answer A lot of things you were wondering about .

Sorry Mitchz..your dead wrong on this one !

..your comments were WAY off base Mitchz..

I Agree with you that its good policy to check and re-check,,But as fast bowtie said the responsibility of the torqing the entire short block lies with the orginal builder that got paid for the job..it should have been done right the 1st time..

You do realize that this shortblock was purchased as a turnkey FINISHED product ?

let me ask you a question..Please answer honestly for me..OK ?.

lets say you called up Scott Shafiorff Racing Engines in New York and order one of their COMPLETE 565 shortblocks..to where all you had to do was bolt up your oil pump (which doesn't require the removal of a main cap or rod journal bolts) and your oil pan, heads ,intake,etc........lets say you bolted on all the stuff you were suppose to..then started the motor and all the bolts vibrated out of the bottom of the rods and killed the motor

WHO WOULD THE RESPONSIBILITY REST WITH.....(Please Be truthful) do not tell me what you would have done,,,please respond to the scenerio as it was laid before you...Cause this is not about Monday morning QTR backing..its about dealing with a certain situation as it HAPPENED..

thanks brian

Mitch I don't wish to judge, but did you forget to take your medication?

MITCH---YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDINS US HERE!!!!!!!!- :idea: --I DEAL IN JOBS THAT COST ANYWHERE FROM 5000.00---150,000 DOLLARS---I MAKE A 10.00 MISTAKE AND AM 100% RESPONSIBLE/COULD HURT SOMEBODY BADLY/AND RUIN MY BUSINESS---I BUILD HOUSES AND BUILDINGS---IT IS STILL MY PROBLEM TO KEEP THINGS RIGHT AND DOUBLE CHECK ALL MY SUBS WORK/NOT THE ONE I AM WORKING FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!----GET A LIFE -YOU ARE IN THE WRONG SPOT FOR A KNOW-IT-ALL ATTITUDE!!!!! :cry: :cry: I ALSO HAVE BEEN BUILDING CARS AND TRUCKS FOR OVER 30 YEARS IN CASE YOU THINK I AM WET BEHIND THE EARS 8) 8) 8)

the funny thing is he's to dumb to know that a few day's ago he said that dynoflo should replace it if the bolts were left loose that was on march 31. now it's fastbowtie's dumb and the bolts couldn't be left loose. what next the bolt feiry's did it. stick to one story mitch people may beleave you.

:roll:

must be sabotage

It's a conspiracy perpetrated by the man to keep a brother down.

SLOWMAN---BOLT FIERIES!! :lol: :lol: :lol: THAT IS FUNNY

thank's those bolt feiry's are a mo fo. the wrench feiry's are worse they take your best wrench and leave it on the roof so when your leave it goes flying

free short block points
 

How many sites does one have to act like a a$$ trying to cover up a problem for a builder to get a short block of thier own????

Re: dyno flo
 

You have the best in your state www.Rehermorrison.com

curious that there is no post from the owner of the engine :shock:

Nope, the the guy that did the install ,I guess he is out a weeks pay too for installing this piece of junk in the car,and removing it after 8 minutes run time

Well said, but from what I understand, not only is he out for the week of install and removal, but all the labor time involved in putting the top end together and running all the nos lines etc.

Both the owner and installer took it in the shorts all because the "ass"embler of the short block did a piss poor job.

next time you should call mitchz. he to mart fo mee iish he koud bild me moter thaks.

ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... that had to hurt.........Also, unless I am mistaken and I am positive that is impossible, the owner of the engine is not a member of RJ.............Neither is my Father so it is not uncommon....

Post this in english Jeff :P :P :P

So others including myself can understand it,,did you bang your head or some thing?

That is Pig Latin..........

Yeah I can sipher pig latin,all they do is move a few letters around
But can you tell me what he said?

sorry top i'm to dumb to spell or tighten the rod bolts mitchz said so. hear it is in england. i said, he's to smart for me. i wish he could build my motor.thanks

He said "he's to smart for me, wish he could build me a motor, thanks"...

dam chevy your 2 smart for me
*EDIT
Spell check
Tom

LOL ok I got it now,you just removed the letter and never added them back in.
Its all good,I'll have to check mr mitch out

we know your getting up in the yrs top it's OK

Thats wisdom son I tell ya wisdom

:shock: 8) :shock:

Well as A matter of fact the owner of the motor just Joined R/J He will be posting .What some of these people are not getting is its not 100% all about the motor but also how he reacted to it and the better than everyone attitude about all of this .If he would have addressed this matter better & didnt treat us like were all A bunch of mentally challenged backyard mechanics This matter would have been solved .
If your just found or joining in on this post Please do me A favor and look at all the pictures & read all of it .Who knows some of it might make you mad But other parts are for sure to make you Laugh.Then if you feel compelled to ad to it feel free to do so once you,ve gathered all the facts.

wisdom is what old people do in there depends under germents

Ok I thought Id show ya some pics of the motor complete and the car it was in and running for 8 minutes.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...1/HPIM0758.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...1/HPIM0760.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...1/HPIM0761.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...1/HPIM0765.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...1/HPIM0762.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...1/HPIM0769.jpg

i just figured out why it broke. it didn't have heater hoses on it. it had nothing to do with the rods being left loose. sorry dynoflo for the mistake!!

Like sands through the hour glass so are the days of dynoflo....stay tuned for next weeks episode :shock:

episode two....

This is a message I sent to Scott and his bs excuse riddled reply...

On [2007-03-31 21:46:59] chevguy65 wrote:
> Hi, I have never dealt with you personally so this is coming second hand from a good friend that I feel is honest and would have no reason to lie to me.
>
> He has stated that you built one of these short blocks for him and after running for only 8 minutes it popped a rod bolt and chewed the engine. He also states you are unwilling to stand behind your work and make it right for this guy.
>
> If this is the case, how do you expect to stay in business, word travels fast in the racing community as well as the internet, perhaps you have seen the scammer section.
>
> I am in no way making threats, just giving you some advice and asking if this is true.
>
> Like I said I only have one side of the story and would like to hear yours.



dynoflo To: chevguy65 Date: 2007-04-01 21:50:14
Subject: Re: 454 sbc
Re: Ad #809660
Message: I do appreciate your desire to communicate in this fashion, about an issue that is quite simple. First I have no idea who the person is, as well as how long ago that they purchased this short block. however, i do know that things happen after these shortblocks that are shipped, and that the folks who work on them, may or may not know anything about what they are doing, i also know that these folks in their garages make a bunch of mistakes. Second and the part that is most important, We build these everyday. There is no one more familiar with these parts than us. We don't ever have any failures of these rods or their bolts, which leaves the torque procedure, which it seems that so many people cannot get right, but we actually follow the directions from arp on these fasteners, and then i have a second person with a second torque wrench double check all the torques on the engine prior to shipping. this avoids silly people making claims of our impropriety. so this does make the likelyhood that something else happened very likely. I did offer to check it out and tell them what I felt happened, but I guess it is easier to try to blame the other guy than step up to the plate. people do a bunch of stuff to their own stuff that they want to blame the world for their issues, and then they tell their friends to email stuff like this. Tell the "mechanic" to do his job right instead of pointing at everyone else. 8 minutes, you really have to suck to screw up that badly. I have very high standards of excellence and I can assure you that this won't be the first time I have been blamed for someone else's deal. Thanks for accusing instead of asking what the facts are the way we see it and then drawing a conclusion from information from both sides.

THIS POST IS GETTINGLLLLLLLLLLLLLLONG , BUT FIRST THE GUY DOESNT KNOW HIM THEN SAYS HE DID ADRESS THE PROBLEM WITH HIM!????? THEN INSULTS US. STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAVID.

Confucius say: MAN WHO GO'S DOWN WITH SINKING SHIP, BECAUSE HE WAS TOO PROUD TO ADMIT TO, AND FIX A 'SIMPLE' LEAK, DESERVES THAT FATE, AND IS "DOOMED TO SINK TO BOTTOM OF THE SEA"

WANNA BUY A SNORKLE DYNAFLO ???

I BET YOU STILL DON'T GET IT,,,,,FOOL,,,,,,