Originally Posted by Scorpion1110

lol lol lol lol

You guys are both scammers and this is hilarious.

Here's why Forum users, and I had to do some research to get this clear:

Fogger orders 4 items from KYSpeed. I believe Fogger's intent was to use the paypal chargeback scam; See this link:

http://www.paypalwarning.com/paypal_helps_crook_steal

http://www.screw-paypal.com/paypal_f...igh_fraud.html

Once he had received the merchandise, he would file a dispute with paypal and get his money back. He would win the dispute and have cash and items.

He would have the boxes and have paid nothing. A common scam and it would be up to KY Speed to pursue, and probably not worth it for $3,320.

However the scammer got "scammed" by KySpeed. Why? Because KYSpeed didnt ship the items. lol

So Fogger sent the cash, KYSpeed didnt send the items. KYSpeed pulled the money out of the account, and then Paypal upheld the dispute and sent Fogger his cash back. Thats why KYSpeed is on a payment plan- he is simply giving them back what he already removed.

So effectively everyone is where they started lol. And thats why they both have letters- You see these are auto-generated letters that are based on keywords in the email lol.

Fogger has his $3320 but not the boxes he intended to misappropriate from KYSpeed.

KYSpeed has his $3320 worth of boxes which as Tod74 alluded in another thread he SHOULD have shipped when they were ordered. He held the boxes and had the cash. Is that a scam? remember he already posted that he was doing a daily sweep from his Paypal account- he should have sent those boxes immediately. He waited and while he waited, Fogger implemented his chargeback scheme. lol.

It was only by not shipping timely and holding the merchandise that was paid for that he disrupted the scammer.This is hilarious.

Forum Users- Dont deal with either and enjoy this thread for its comic value.

Littlerod, I think you need to do some tradin with these fellars.

lol lol lol

Scorp
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Just to add 02/11/2010

Interesting how the daily back and forth ceased once we started putting the pieces together- Allways that way. Next we get a post that says "Well I dont care anymore" or "I have better things to do".

Seems they always cease to care when they get exposed.

Now if only they knew the info that I got via PM- I think they'd care about that.

But thats for another day :)

Scorp

Originally Posted by Scorpion1110

Wildbillracing-

Question has been answered; summary here.

He took the money and did not ship parts. However Fogger did a chargeback through paypal and got his money returned.

Neither party is OUT ANYTHING.

Scorp