Originally Posted by mrmopar622

The dyno operator & I went over all the data and called over to a Ron's dealer and had him come over and look over the data with us.Everything is within specs.
Looking at the dyno sheet that Naylor had you post, my engine is way down on power from the beginning compared to that 1059 hp engine.

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

There is no fuel pressure issue's,if they were we would have corrected them on the dyno!

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

Hi Zip,
We had a Ron's dealer who sells, installs & runs them on his own car come & look at the dyno results that showed the fuel pressure, EGT and CO2. They were all within specs, if there had been anything questionable on the fuel system we would have corrected it right then. The engine made the most power with #40 nozzles and #86 pill in the return line, timing at 32 degrees. This setup made the most power any leaner or richer resulted in a loss of hp. In other words, we fine tuned the fuel system & timing to get the most hp possible.

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

There is no fuel pressure issue's,if they were we would have corrected them on the dyno!

Originally Posted by hammertime

Clearly ... I see you correct a lot on the dyno, anyone that pulled a big engine like that one time and seen it lay over at 6000 anything rpms wouldnt of pulled it twice without looking for that issue ...

I can now see why no one would want to help you ... you side step questions .. give know it all answers ... clearly u got it all figured out :!:

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

I have answered your questions, not side stepping anything. I had one of the best dyno operators with the latest newest dyno that was also good and used to dynoing engines with Ron's terminators & flying toilets on alcohol. There is no fuel pressure problem whatsoever. However, if you are so sure there are fuel pressure problems - PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!! I will be happy to bring my engine and dyno sheets & put the engine on the dyno, if there is a fuel pressure problem that you can correct and pick the engine up 153 hp like it should be you win the money, if not, I win the money.

Originally Posted by zipper06

O'K that answers my both my :?: on the fuel system, the nozzles are right and the bypass pill is just about in the middle of where it should run with a -1 pump, kinda makes me wonder about the cam, maybe too small or advanced/retarded too much. I've never built or ran a motor that big, so i don't know what they work best, my biggest motor ever was 540 blown alcohol Rodek so i don't have any answers. SORRY

Zip.

Originally Posted by hammertime

Then show the data off this so called latest and greatest dyno... It will have a sheet that shows o2's, Pretty simple..

How much money you offering .. I get to bring it to a dyno of my choice to make it show 1100 ... easy to flip a dial and make a dyno show what you want, of course you have it in your head that every dyno in the country reads the exact same number and cant be changed ... I can now see why your getting zero help from Naylor ... you act like this to people who offer you advice or help ... your defensive .. and pretty much a prick about it, to anyone and everyone who has anything to say but your 100% right ...

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

In above posts I offered the choice of 2 shops - Pro Line Racing in Atlanta, GA., or Huntsville Engines in Huntsville, AL., it's not like I just picked these 2 now. Take your choice. The minimum bet is $1,500.00, so pick your shop & put your money where your mouth is!! That's all you been doing is running your mouth, IT'S TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!

Originally Posted by hammertime

Send it to me .. I'll get ya one that says 1200 and we can up the bet if you want to because I know how easy it is to move dyno #'s .. your a clown, do some research on a dyno once and you'll figure out how accurate they all are from one to the next.

I still stand by my post l. You had someone else work on this engine and dyno it ... you have zero to stand on as soon as you took it else where (after this builder gave u a hell of a deal) the lack of data you are showing from the dyno .. and the so called "experts" with injection and dyno's showed their smarts when they kept pulling it over and over when a 632 ci with a big head, tunnel ram and the correct camshaft wouldn't rpm over mid 6k ... anyone worth a darn would of pulled the plug right away on trying to dyno it. Common courtesy and common sense would of went a long ways in this whole deal ... and I think you proved Naylors point of you having neither ... Im done ! :!: :roll:

Originally Posted by shawnp

Dead on, Dave. A few adjustments and corrected factors and that thing will be 1100+ in 2-3 pulls, even with an average dyno operator.

There is no other negative feedback on Naylor or proaction heads. There is positive feedback on proaction as a seller.

You can keep beating your dead horse here if you want, but until you decide that your done in a pissing match and would like to get help with your combo then don't expect a lot of replies. Your attitude toward those that can help you isn't going to get you far. :roll:

Originally Posted by bigray

Wow.. i think we all need to step back... and take a deep breath.. and re group..the talk is starting to get over heated,, the trouble is back at Naylor..

Originally Posted by Harbone

Originally Posted by itsabird

Pass that down, will ya?

Originally Posted by proactionheads

Now that the holidays are over, I will try and respond to what’s been said by Mr. Humphries in this Forum. Foremost, Bill got the motor he paid for! Before building him the motor, many conversations were had, estimates drawn up, and e-mails sent. The 1100hp motor with Brodix 395MC heads, shaft rockers, Profiler tunnel ram intake, and belt drive cost $1400.00+ and was beyond his budget. Working within his $11500.00 budget, I offered a 632ci using Dart 400m heads which I would work on for no cost to make the most hp possible. If he had the time to wait on the heads to come in, and for me to do the work on them, I would do it for $11500, and it would run excellent times in his dragster. Once the build was started, Bill called several times checking on progress and was updated on what parts came in and how the head work was coming. We sent him pictures of the heads so he could see the work I had already done. His response was he couldn’t tell any work had been done, we were beyond our 4-6 week time agreement, and he wanted 1100hp. What? That was not agreed on for this motor! Apparently all the previous conversations about us helping him out by building him the most motor for $11500 went in one ear and out the other. Once we started the build no time frame was guaranteed, I was doing the work on the heads on my time at no cost! And YES there were extras I didn’t charge him for (Head work, intake work, drilled intake for injectors, and upgrade to Moroso dragster oil pan @ no cost to him). At this point to make things right I offered him a deal on a complete short block for $7148, this way he could save his money for a top end that would ultimately make him the 1100 hp he was chasing. He declined that offer because he said he was getting such a good deal on the motor I was in the process of making now. I stopped all other work in the shop to get this motor finished for him so he could pick it up ASAP. No the motor was not run on our dyno before it left. First, he wanted the motor now! Secondly, due to his attitude, and all the prep it would have taken to get ready to run (his vac pump, mandrel, carb linkage and brackets all came off his Mopar), and doing this at my expense, I had no problem not running this motor for him. (It took him 3 weeks to get the engine ready to dyno at the shop that did run it).
A 632 ci motor with 400m heads, tunnel ram with two Rons terminators on alcohol will make 1050hp. The Dyno numbers he posted look low. For a motor to drop off like it did it appears to have fuel issues to me. This motor should turn 7500 rpm with this big top end. I know this engine will run great in a dragster, I wish he would put it in and see for himself.
Intake gasket issue- The Dart 400m head has a raised runner. The intake took 1.120 and 1.060 gaskets we used 3M to glue together, it should not have leaked. If this thickness was not put back on, the intake runners will not line up with the head runners. Maybe his is his issue?
Oiling problem- I never had a BBC that had oiling problems to the top end. Maybe they didn’t prime it? If they had primed it they should have noticed that the rockers were not getting oil then, not when they were running it.
He doesn’t like my shop? I have been in business, at the same location, for 24 years. Everyone is welcome to visit. Here is a list of some of the equipment I have in my 2400sq. ft. machine shop. Sunnen VR 6000 valve grinder, Serdi valve grinder, Pro-Bal balancer, 7’ Magnaflux inspection machine, Sunnen rod machine, 54” Victor lathe, Super Flow flow bench, Sunnen CV616 honing machine, Quik-Way honing machine, Sunnen line hone machine, Rottler boring machine, DCM with BHJ decking fixture, Scledum CVN machine, 54” Bridgeport, twin brake Stuska dyno.

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

Again, more lies & excuses from Naylor Racing Engines/Pro Action Heads. I would think any reputable engine builder would want to check into any problems on an engine he had built not make excuses.

As for the 3 weeks before getting the engine dynoed, I had to wait for my turn in line! Thanks to Jimmy Naylor's poor workmanship it cost an extra $348.76, parts & labor, another $80+ for new oil & filter, where he put 2 intake gaskets instead of the proper one-one had slipped leaking water into the engine. Everything including the extra trip cost me over $1,000.00 for work that should have already been done by Naylor. He refused to reimburse the $348.76 plus oil & filter to correct his poor workmanship much less the $1,000.00. When priming the engine that is where we found the oiling problem to the rockers. We cranked it & run it long enough to make sure it was not getting oil to the rockers. HAD THE DYNO OPERATOR NOT DISCOVERED THIS THE ENGINE WOULD NOW BE NOT JUST LOW ON HORSEPOWER BUT JUNK! The dyno work was done by one of the best men in the Southeast with the latest state-of-the-art dyno. It monitored the EGT on each cylinder at head; CO2 in each collector; fuel pressure; oil pressure & oil temp; water temp; if there would have been any kind of fuel pressure problem we would have seen it. Jimmy Naylor, do you really think anyone is going to believe the vacuum pump, fuel pump & terminators(bolt on like a carb) were Mopar parts and would not fit on a Chevrolet?
Everyone else on here can see there is a problem with this engine, and instead of addressing the problem all you have done is make excuses. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS??? You can not solve a problem by making excuses.
Everyone has seen the first & final invoice and on both invoices you put 1100+hp.
Then you try to scam us with an invoice you say you sent with the Head Hunter 395 cfm heads and that was the 1100 hp engine, but you had to substitute with the Dart 400 Big M heads to stay in my budget.
If everyone would please go back up & look at his bogus invoice you will see the engine build with the Brodix Head Hunter Heads is for a 600 cu in engine, it even says it on the invoice, the second invoice, the engine you say I chose because of budget, is a 632 cu in engine build - Jimmy Naylor this is just more inconsistent lies coming from you.
Instead of all those lies would it have not been easier to have said "Looks like we have a problem, let's see what we can do to correct it."

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

I have been holding off on a reply. I was thinking maybe if I did not put Naylor into a defensive position, he might respond positively. I think I have proved my point - it is not what it was advertised to be nor what I paid for. When I first emailed Naylor about the engine problems & lack of horsepower, I told him I thought things should be made right, if nothing else, I should receive some form of compensation.
So, I am putting that back out there again. Something we could both be somewhat satisfied with, and everyone could see that Naylor stands behind his work. Who knows, that might improve his business.

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

, BUT I DO EXPECT IT TO BE WHAT IT WAS ADVERTISED AND WHAT I PAID FOR AND MOST IMPORTANTLY RIGHT!

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

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As individual racers, we have very little power, but as United Racers we have Great Power. As racers ourselves, we need to look out for our fellow racers. We should all be thankful to Racing Junk for providing us with this site, but it is a very large site and impossible for them to police everything on their own. When we see a illegitimate machine shop/engine builder advertising and selling their products on here taking advantage of our fellow racers, shouldn't each & everyone of us report them to Racing Junk and ask that their advertisement/ads be removed from the site, or should we just sit back like Rabbit and gloat at everyone's misfortune?

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

Opinions are like A**holes, everyone has one. It seems like your opinion of yourself you know everything, everyone else is wrong, you have all the right answers. Where is all this positive feedback for Naylor you keep referencing? I have yet to see any.
As for my honest opinion of you I could give a sh*t less what YOUR opinions are.
However, I am interested in hearing some of the other racers opinions.

Originally Posted by mrmopar622

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Speaking of A**holes, you are one. This is a user feedback & scam watch forum. As for your opinion, you know where you can stick that.