He also says it was deducted from his account.....If that is true one of you is a LIAR. I will now wait to see which one of you proves the other wrong.

Directly from 1 of kyspeedparts posts:

Why did he deposit MY money into his acct if he chose NOT to do business with me and never had intentions on sending the parts he was paid for? Because Kentucky Speed and Performance are crooks, and thieves. Its been proven....a responsible seller wouldnt have never accepted the money or would of refunded it immediately. His intentions were to steal from me the whole time....its crystal clear.....

So why couldnt Paypal recover any of my funds from his acct then? I filed a complaint with Paypal a few days after I initially sent him the money. Paypal didnt take the money out of his acct because there was NO money to take. He had already stole it...this is directly from Paypal:

The guy is a crook....Paypal cant take money from an acct that HAS NO money.

*crickets* *crickets*

I have been reading this all along and Im starting to think Twin Fogger might be right.I started one of these threads and had dealings with Kentucy Speed and I will keep my opinions of them to myself other than I have never bought from them again..

Yes and keep it like that, do not buy from them again. They are crooks and its been proven in this thread. Why on earth am I here if I received my money back? Those guys are crooks, and Dwight knows it. He never shouldnt have taken my money, if he chose not to do business with me. He put the money into his acct and stole it....never sent a refund or the parts.

I will also state I had my ass torn up on here about a deal gone bad but I made it right.These guys on here are no joke and will put it out there like it or not. Sometimes they jump to conclusions and I had a hard time proving my self,but that what this section is all about.If your worried about getting your fealings hurt stay off of hear.just my 2 cents...

Yup. I hear that but not at all worrying about getting my feelings hurt. I want to get the message out and let the facts of what happened be known.

You made things right, and thats what matters....

I do not know anything about his situation AT ALL (SOX) but I will say this about OTHER scammers we've seen. They make things right AFTER the victim pushes the issue and it becomes clear that they are not going to let them get away with it...So, just because someone makes it right after the fact,does NOT mean they are not a crook or that they are trustworthy.Again..I want to be clear,I am NOT talking about SOX ..just speaking in general terms based on what we have seen in the past.

so your saying the people on yellowbullet are dumbasses fuck this guy he scammed people now it happens to him and he doesnt like it to bad

no, I didnt say the people on YB were that, he called us dumbass's...

KYSPEED-

Its Friday at 10:39am and I see you visiting the forum. Will you respond to Fogger's comments?

Dwight its your turn.

Sorry guys, it took me a while to read all of this. The fact is, that PayPal told me months ago that he disputed the charges with with his credit card (bank card) company. If this is true, just because PayPal told you that they could not recover the funds from us, doesn't mean that your cc company couldn't dispute the the charges to PayPal and get your money back from them. You initially paid PayPal, not Kentucky Speed & Performance, so they would be liable for your refund and then in turn, PayPal would then come after us, right? You can and did dispute this with them via your cc company and PayPal told me months ago that your cc company did recover the money for you. I will look at things on my side and get with PayPal about this if you can get me a statement from your cc company that says you were never refunded your money. How's that?

Are you saying you recieved the money and you are waiting for paypal to come after you?

I have a customer right now that ordered valve covers that are on backorder. He decided not to wait for them so I'm going to refund his money and send him a free t-shirt for his trouble. I'm not going to make him get the money from his cc or paypal then wait and see if they come after me. That would be WRONG.

Please correct me if I read it wrong.

No, I am not waiting, they have came after me. That's when I was told that he had already gotten his money back via a dispute with his cc company.

so does that mean that you actually do still have the money he sent???

No, If he in fact did not get refunded, the PayPal will have his money. I will call PayPal on my end to see what's happening. Like I said initially, if we owe anyone, I will take care of it.

Now Dang if this isn't a twist, First you say you didn't get now you say you did and paypal has contacted you :!: :!: Hmmmm you got me thinking now :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

Mopar, I never said that he didn't pay for the parts via PayPal. He did pay for these via PayPal, but when I spoke to them several months ago, they said that he had gotten his money back through his cc company and then in turn, I would have to pay back PayPal. I don't mind giving refunds, but I sure can't afford to do it twice.

you know , I must be stupid or something , but I still can't figure this out...he paid you for parts , RIGHT?
you never sent parts , RIGHT?
did at any point in time did you send him his money back??
did pay pal take money from your account for him?
if the answer to the last two is no , then you must still have his money...
even if pay pal or his credit card company settled with him doesnt mean you can keep the money..
forgive me for being stupid , but I have yet seen a direct answer to the last two questions ,, help me out here
in other words what happened to the money you recieved from him???

I haven't gotten 1 dime back related to this mess Dwight and you know it. I have no reason whatsoever to bring this up had I gotten a refund already. You told me last week to contact my bank and dispute the charges and they would give me my money back when I shouldn't have to. I'm not going to scam the bank so you can steal from me. If you're telling me now to contact the bank and dispute since as you say in my case I'm actually right(your words) that means you know I've never disputed this transaction and you know damn well why I haven't. The bank called me to verify I authorized this transaction, thus making it impossible for me to dispute this charge. If you were at all interested in making this right you would of looked into it already or made it right because you know damn well you stole from me and I haven't gotten any of the funds back releated to this. In fact, I had to pay the other guys out of my pocket for the box they paid me for. I'm out damn near double on this.....

THIS IS DIRECTED TO kyspeedparts

what do you mean twice??? You are on record as saying you never refunded me anything? Get your lies straight Dwight. When did you refund me anything since you can't afford to do it twice, I'm still waiting on the 1st one and that will be enough for me.

Maniac, he did in fact pay for part and he did not recieve any parts from us. I currently have a dispute going on with PayPal. Now, they had informed me that he had recieved his money back from PayPal via the dispute he started with his cc company. His cc company took the money back from PayPal which in turn would take it back from me. I don't deny the transaction happened, but like I stated previously, I am not going to pay for this twice. I am in dispute with PayPal at this time, because they are trying to collect money from me for parts that I have already sent to customers. If twinfoggersbc can prove with a statement from the bank that he had not been refunded, then I will gladly make this right and write an apology to him. I am not hard to get along. Just get me a statement. I will be contacting PayPal over this and will post my findings.

As you can see from the email Paypal sent me they tried to take my money from his account but they were unable to recover any of my funds which left me with NOTHING on this ordeal. He had already deposited my money along with about $1300 more according to him. He took the money and ran before Paypal was able to take it back. He's claiming Paypal took the money from him yet my email proves there was no money to take, since he had already deposited into his acct which he confirmed.

STILL DIDNT ANSWER THE QUESTION ,,,Where is the money he sent you???have you given it to ANYBODY???YES OR NO?

i think you are going in the right direction maniac.

Ky Speed would have the money because of the dispute with PayPal has not been settled. If anything were to be owed, it would be to PayPal, which is an entirely different matter. If we owe twinfoggersbc, we will take care of it.

Why did he have to file a dispute with his cc? Why didn't you just refund his money in the first place?

well the story changes now, guess I owe an apology to twinfoggersbc. sorry dude... :?

who do you think you're kidding? Seriously? Paypal disputes don't take that long and they have already said you took all the money out of your acct which is why they weren't able to recover any funds for me. You have admitted you deposited my money along with about $1300 more in your acct. Thus stealing the money before Paypal could take it. This case with me is cut and dry, you stole my money and YOU owe me $3320.

Well it is clear to me that you do in fact owe someone, Either twinfoggersbc or paypal :!: :!: So my question is if you know [In your own words] do in fact owe one or the other why in the heck don't you pay them :!: :!: So do i Chris, sorry twinfogger :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

One other thing that confuses me a little, twinfoggersbc state to me in a pm that he wanted a refund or the four boxes that he ordered. Later in this thread, he stated he had to pay back his friends with money out of his pocket. Now if he paid his friends back for the boxes, why would he need them. Why wouldn't he just ask for the money back?

Thats all I was trying to clear up , whether or not ky still has the mans money ,,not your money , you didn't send out a product for it..real simple...you said you couldn't afford to pay twice , if you still have it then you havn't paid once yet...
you get money for parts
you send no parts
you refund no money
CASE CLOSED

No apologies needed. Its kinda easy to look over the facts with all that was said. If any of you has ever dealt with Paypal you know that disputes don't take that long to settle. This happened back on June 1st. I filed a dispute with Paypal a few days after. I think we all know this dispute has been settled. My email proves they settled my dispute quickly and in my favor but kyspeedparts as Dwight confirmed and verified had already deposited my money and about $1300 of others into his acct and Paypal weren't able to recover any of my funds from him because of this. As someone else asked you maybe you will answer this time. If you chose NOT to do business with me why didn't YOU just refund my money Dwight??

When we were opperating our eBay store, one of the first things done was to go into PayPal and deposit our balance into the bank, which I think is common practice. We didn't shut down our PayPal account until sometime after all of this went down. He filed a dispute because that's what he intended to do all along. I didn't say he should have to, he just did. I will pay PayPal when they straighten things out with me, but again that is a totally different subject.

because as I've done this whole time. I've tried to help you and give you the benefit of the doubt cause I realize people have family issues sometimes and since I did order from you before and things went smooth that you were at some point a good seller but not anymore apparently and I know it would be cheaper for you to just give me what I paid you for. Not to mention I had to regain trust with those guys because they thought initially that I was trying to screw them over on these boxes.

answer to the facts Dwight. As someone else asked you, why didn't YOU just refund me if you chose not to do business with me. Why didn't YOU refund me during the dispute? And you're still using Paypal to my knowledge, you opened another acct then I see? Is there any doubt now that this guy is a thief and a crook?

You stated that you disputed this a "few days after". Why would someone file a dispute just a few days after a purchase. Normally, a guy will wait at least a week or two to file a dispute. Come on. You filed a dispute because you had every intention of doing so from the get go, just like you did the first time. We just decided not to do it the second time. Twinfoggersbc, if you haven't been refunded by your cc company, I will make it right, but if I'm not mistaken, it would have to go through PayPal to be done because they are the ones you initially paid. Again, I will get with them to find out. I will do my part on my end.