This guy sounds just like Bret Bowers but he did get the short block built.Scott do the right thing like Bret did give him the parts or money back.Learn from your mistakes as we all have.Wesley

What does a man truely think of himself if he admits he is an asshole :?: Is that really something a person would say about themselves unless they were admitting it on a psycho couch :?: I guess Big Brother program is a no no for him :lol: And lastly, After the long manure spreading does anyone need these :?:

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454 those are only hip boots you need the ones that go to your cest.

Lotsof454sss I think you are right on target. LOL It's so deep I think I need the waders and a step stool.

just keepen it at the top

Today after checking further I found when I posted the reply to DynoFlo I had stated the wrong time line .We did recieve the ShortBlock in 2005 But everything else was correct .So I did make a mistake But Not on the Rod Bollts .

You see that dynoflo, fastbowtie admitted he made a mistake. That is how it's done.

:oops: :oops: DYNOFLO :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

dyno-flo responds again to the boys
 

HELLO: you took the high road posting on a forum to give me a chance to respond. you never told me that you were posting on a forum and that I was to respond. I found out days later, after you went off half cocked. You were the the problem on the phone, but anyway. the point is still the same. But before I get to that, READ THIS: I offered to rebuild the whole engine [I only sold him a short block] and dyno it to prevent any other issues the "mechanic" could have created. THIS IS CALLED STEPPING UP. We concluded last week that exchanging the block would be more acceptible to George the customer. George was satisfied. then the "mechanic" and his buddy start tag teaming me on here without letting me know about it, AND YOU ALL CALL THAT TAKING THE HIGH ROAD. THAT IS CALLED B.S. now as a result of the fact that the boys went off on here acting like children expecting appologies, I have withdrawn any offer to help George at all. The damage is done. CONGRATULATIONS DINGALING!!! YOU WIN. Now for the peanut gallery: I don't care who you are, where you come from, how much money you make, how smart or stupid you are, if you call anyone who builds engines, sells parts, machines stuff, or hell even walmart, with an invoice from 9-2005, on an item that has no warranty, no one will even discuss the issue with you. call all the other engine builders in national dragster and tell them you bought stuff and have a problem from 2005, they will tell you that they are sorry, but there is nothing that they can do. I OFFERED TO HELP ANYWAY...AND FOR THIS I GET BASHED ANYWAY. RIGHT ON. I never asked for your appology [that is how it is actually spelled], and I don't owe you anything that resembles an appology. BY THE WAY I TOOK THE "HIGH ROAD" AND POSTED ALL KINDS OF STUFF TO YOUR BOSSES AND CUSTOMERS ABOUT ALL OF YOU BEHIND YOUR BACKS DAYS AGO WITHOUT TELLING YOU SO THAT YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES, BEFORE THEY FIRE YOU FOR STUFF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. Have a nice day, all you anonymous jokers with no real names or contact info. Put it out there so I can show you how it works. I am done here with this issue. I have proven my point to anyone that knows how to read the whole thing. questions??? 702-567-3035

YOU HAVE PROVEN ONE THING FOR SURE-----YOU ARE ARROGANT/SELFISH/AND HAVE A LOUSY ATTITUDE TO CUSTOMERS[YOU DID ADMIT THAT ON HERE]---WE ARE NOT NOR HAVE EVER NOT BEEN FAIR IN THESE FORUIMS--WE SEARCH OUT THE TRUTH ON BOTH SIDES [WHEN THE OTHER SIDE WILL RESPOND] AND TRY TO SETTLE THINGS FOR OUR FELLOW RACERS---YOU COOKED YOUR OWN GOOSE/ NO ONE ELSE DID IT FOR YOU!!!!

This is how it is spelled....
 

a·pol·o·gy(-pl-j)
n. pl. a·pol·o·gies
1. An acknowledgment expressing regret or asking pardon for a fault or offense.
2.
a. A formal justification or defense.
b. An explanation or excuse: "The consequence of those measures will be the best apology for my conduct" Daniel Defoe.
3. An inferior substitute: The sagging cot was a poor apology for a bed.
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Noun 1. apology - an expression of regret at having caused trouble for someone; "he wrote a letter of apology to the hostess"
acknowledgement, acknowledgment - a statement acknowledging something or someone; "she must have seen him but she gave no sign of acknowledgment"; "the preface contained an acknowledgment of those who had helped her

What have you proven Scot :?:
That you cannot admit that your company made a mistake :?:
When you & George Douklias talked last Friday He asked you for all the parts, first you refused.
And just to get it over with he said if you would send him just a block he would send the broken one back.
You agreed.
Then you stated you needed the block back first so you could take specs from it for the new block...Yeah Rite.
You also told George that it would take :?: HOW LONG? Scot please refresh my memory was it up to 3 months :?: for him to recieve A block back.
The reason why is that you only had 3 of those blocks in stock and they were already promised out and you would have to get one from Dart.
You told everyone on this forum your company has over 2 million in inventory but you don't have a block to send to George :?:
You could have had Dart dropship a block to Southern Style Racing Engines! In a couple of days it would be there and been done with it.
I will tell you something George might not be a mechanic but he is a buisnessman.
After he realized what you were trying to pull He was scared to death about the whole deal do to the fact He on his own did some reasearch on the internet about DynoFlo and saw that even the motors You made good on Took absolutely forever!
He also saw how you have treated SOO many other people.
And to be frank, it scared me too. I never said you built Junk motors just this one.
I'm glad you feel you can run your mouth and attempt to belittle me and anyone that might even sneeze in your direction.
First you blamed Me for the rodbolts being loose and now your accusing me for YOU not wanting to stand up and help your customer out at all.
You didn't want to in the first place, but you jumped at the chance to make this go away quickly and then you still got greedy as far as I'm concerned and wanted him to jump through your hoops and make him wait .

scott the only thing you proved is that your not that bright.if you look at how many people have read this you would be smart enough to no that your losing biz.you say we hind behide the screen names, i don't give my name and number to a dumbass.if you can't see the truth with the pics why would anyone want to talk to you.i guess being two feet tall pissed you off in life.

OH YEA by the way Scot I know for a fact you were aware of this even when it was in the general section Long before your name or Dynoflo name was even mentioned. You chose ONLY to post after it came over to the scammer section and your name and you company name was mentioned .
No one is tag teaming you, you just pi$$ed off alot of people with your actions and the garbage coming out of your mouth . If you could not tell that that shortblock that your Company built was still brand new then you don't know your product as good as you say you do.
Hell it still had your assembly lube still on the camshaft. Do you know how we know this? It's a different color than the lube I used on the lifters. You have all the pics to prove it.
You know I haven't posted all the pics but im gonna even the one where the waters pi$$ing out of the whole in the block when we dropped the oilpan .If you think myself or George are lying Contact George Pils at Southern Style Racing engines Ph# 727546-7000 He can verify that the motor was still new and had never been gone thru or modified .

Dynoflo has a point in the timeline of this block. its hard to track where the blocks been for over a year.
But if proven never run untill the time posted then yes He is liable for damage, as long as no one has touched the rod torque.
Rod torque is ultra critical, most if not all engine builders Strech them to length, this process takes a bit of time and I could not think of anyone leaving them hand tight. But stranger things have happened.
Not taking sides
just my 2C

altune,that's to much to ask were trying to get him to use a torque wrench first then we will teach him the right way.

I can say this much if George Pils is stating it's due to dynotune then it is. Mr. Pils is well known in this area for racing and speaks the truth. Very outstanding person.

As for buying anything from Dynotune...... never. I am ready to replace my 383 with a new 434 and was looking at Dynotune and going to CA next month so I was checking on a flight over to see the shop and the motors. If I was going to chose them it was build the motor and I will fly out and ship it back myself. No money up front for a standard 434, if your shop can not have them in stock then you do not get my money. I don't play the rob peter to pay paul game.

NOW NO WAY IN HE_L WOULD I USE THEM. Your words and actions have lost you a sale with me.

And this is not any bull $hit.

Well guys, What do thease pics say :?:.
Was it a used motor or not or was it abused?
The pics of the cylinder heads still have the blue around the valves and #s on the valves from a sharpie from when H.P.S did them.
Look at the lube still on the outer sides of the lobes and then look at the lube still on the lifters from when I installed them, 2 different lubes.
This motor was removed from the car on a friday night we had to pull the converter with the motor because it was locked up we dropped the pan even before it was on the engine stand and found the bolt in the windage tray.
There were 5 people there when all of this took place.
The next morning I stripped the motor down to the shortblock with out turning the engine over or checking any torque's. The motor was then put on a motor pallet loaded into the back of Mr Douklias truck and then transported to Southern Style Racing Engines where George Pils the owner of SSRE removed the bad rod and checked the rest of the rod bolts where he found all the remaining rod bolts to be hand tight.
I did not claim the rod bolts were loose because I checked them, The owner of SSRE found this out in front of myself, Mr Douklias and all his employee's.
Once I receive the complete breakdown & findings from SSRE I will be more than happy to post them as well.
Yes we did place the order and pay for the motor in early sept 05 but Scot how many months did it take to recieve the engine :?: and that is a point well taken but as you can see this motor is Brand New still .

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Notice the surface rust where the water came out of the hole in the block :?: It wiped rite off.
Also look at the cylinder honing.
LIKE I SAID BRAND NEW

:shock:

Scot you stated in your first post

the engine was completely assembled by this " mechanic" not a shop. Somebody did something somewhere. He did try to tell me that we didn't torque the bolts.

Well here is your invoice on the engine Also note the date next to the piston # 09/28 where there was a piston change at your shop .
If you say that I assembled the entire engine then why did we pay you to do it :?:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...owtie1/001.jpg

:shock: :shock:

Oh scott, I think fastbowtie has got you on the ropes. BTW an argumentative style will get you no where in business.

Scott,

I want to say I am sorry.

I am sorry you are such an asshole.
I am sorry you do not know what the hell your doing.
I am sorry you continue to screw people over.
I am sorry you only know how to make excuses for your shoddy workmanship.
I am sorry you have the customer service skills of a slug.
I am sorry you never grew to become a real man.
I am sorry for all of these things, and above all I am sorry for you, and your family that have to put up with you.

There I said I am sorry and I feel better now.


Now, quit acting your height and be a man and fix this with the owner.

I thought I would put my experience with Dyno-flo in here. I had a 582 built in 2005. We drove to the shop and witnessed the dyno. The engine came up a bit short on power. (911 instead of the expected 950) I was happy with the customer service and the fact that Scott kept the manifold for porting and was helpful.

After installation in the car, several months after picking up the engine due to a bad paint experience on the car, I had a water in oil problem. We pulled the engine, returned it to Scott, who promtly pulled the engine apart and found that it had an intake gasket fail at the water jacket. I put the intake on after he ported it post dyno. He freshened it with bearings, checked it all out, and only charged me $250 for the parts and labor.

I call that pretty stand up. Considering I put the manifold on, the water issue was my fault.

I have no idea what happened to the 454 small block in question, but I did want to add my good experience for a balanced story.

Thanks for your post.
As I and other people have stated not all his engines are bad just this one.
I am glad he did rite by you. If you have read this entire post you will see that this post is not just because of the problems with the engine but how he has handled the whole situation. That is why the DynoFlo name was kept out of it for so long to give him a chance to make it rite .
Instead he has bashed anyone with an opinion and gave his thoughts on how he feels about ASE certified Mechanics .
He has personaly made attacks on me to me and to other people and said that his Company couldn't have made this mistake.
Every company makes A mistake now & then I don't care what you do or what they manufacture It Does happen.
I'm glad he did rite by you and im sure he has done rite by other people as well.
But read the whole ad & tell me what he should have done for us on this motor. You can PM me with you reply if you like and if don't want to get involved any further.

malibuvette,

no one said all his stuff is junk, and am happy you had good experiences with Scott.

But there are many out there that had experiences like fastbowtie, and all he does is make excuses and cast blame on everyone else.

He states he took the high road, but right after this happened I sent him a message and his response was BS, 3 times I asked for facts and all I got were piss poor excuses and blaming saying that fast was a poor mechanic. Fast did not build the short-block, Scott did.

Bottom end failure in 8 minutes of run time....you do the math.

I have been getting acquainted with the forums. This is a similar post to another I recently put up on the subject of scammers. It is good that RJ has these forums, we can all learn a lot, maybe recover some parts, maybe save some people a bad time.
I lost money in bad deals too in the past (not through this site yet) I prefer mainly dealing with locals that have a good reputation for large projects. It may cost more up front at times, but it is usually offset by their help and their advice when needed!!
IMO if someone has a bad attitude its better to move on and find someone willing to be more helpful.
My one friend likes to say you should'nt have to kiss someones A$$ to give them your money! :lol:
Locally JanCen Automotive, Competition Trans, Torrelli Pro Cars, and other locals in Buffalo have given me plenty of helpful advice and great service. :D
I am just a little guy trying to get by like many, I know they have a lot of customers that spend a lot more $$ then I can afford to and still they are helpful, courteous, and do great work.
I know people that had good luck with Reher Morrison and others, but for me I prefer to have the people locally and when I have a question its much easier to be able to talk or take the equipment for them to see.
Last year Mike Janis helped on a blown motor I was putting together for a project. I had a budget and a deadline, I have put a few motors together but I am no engine builder, and not at a high HP level. Mike is very picky and had me check and report everything about the motor, I bought a set of Dart heads and other parts. As I was assembling and checking I was concerned about the valve springs coming close to binding.
Mike is super busy, he builds top shelf race motors, could of blown me off, could of said some nasty remarks about me not knowing what I was doing, but he did none of that.
Mike had ordered the heads himself, and asked me to bring the heads over. He took them apart in front of me and showed me how to check for max lift and bind! :wink:
Through out the project I would show him parts and Mike never tried to sell me something I did not not need, just what was not up to the task, or borderline. :D
Likewise Carl Ettipio at Competition has checked transmissions for me and he too shows me and teaches me about what is there.
I bought a used BBC combination (heads, intake, pistons, bare block) from Carl that became my first race motor along with a trans and converter he built for us. That combo performed exactly as Carl said it would. :D
These guys and others are priced very fairly with the market and the final deal becomes a positive pleasant experience. :D
As customers we should recognize good service takes valuable time over just selling parts at a low price. Low prices are great but good parts become expensive junk real fast when not put together correctly. :(
I like to do as much work as I can not just to save some $ but to learn cause at the track or home I may be on my own. When we choose this path we have to be responsible for our actions. If I screwed something up, its not their fault, but being honest with them they will help me out so I don't screw up again.
A parts seller may not make much profit, and does not have much time invested in the customer.
High performance and racing is expensive, I like a good deal as much as the next guy, and IMO the best deal is a fair price for a good product with good service.
This thread was not about these local guys, just showing how good hardworking, honest individuals handle customer relations and build a good business.
I don't expect a busy shop to drop everything at the first instant for me, they are very busy, but they always get back to me within reason. When I started dealing with them I assured them they would never get stiffed on a deal by me. After a while folks like that become more then just people we do business with, they become friends.
Professional means a person got paid for a service thats all, a good backyard mechanic is better to deal with any day then a bad Pro.
A good Pro will take of his customers, and in return his good customers will take care of them. :wink:
Just my opinion.

Carlos

Amen. 8)

Yes a good engine builder will take car of his customers.
I recently received a 565 supercharged engine from a builder and have not even asked him for any help on it and tried to send him some business in the way of two complete short blocks, He blew me off, Now I'm not sure if I want anything to do with him. I will give my money to someone who is not so arrogant and Just can't deal with it.
So far there have been 2 major builders that have gone this way with me.
So what If I am not ordering a $30,000 pro motor, It is still business.
Al

Altune,
here is a small example of Mike, after helping me with what I needed on the build he took the time at the Indy Nationals where he was racing to come and look at the car and listen to it. We are restoring so I am changing to fuel injection on gas, Jancen took the time to get ne the correct barrel valve and nozzles. Not a big deal, I could have ordered them from Hilborn myself but its the fact they will go the extra mile for a customer even a small one! :D
Carl is the same way, he is helping me for the resto on hard to find 727 pushbutton which are not popular anymore. I am sure these guys could make more $ with more popular combos, but they both do business with a lot of people that are not local....wonder why!!

Carlos

Re: Guess?
 

most rod bolts will withstand 150,000 psi and an engine will not generate that kind of pressure. the rod cap appeares to be on right. i would say it hit the side of the block due to lack of proper clearencing.

The Rod bolt did not fail they were not torqued only hand tight DynoFlo just overlooked the step .Its a mistake that can happen to anyone DynoFlo just wont admit to making it .

All rod bolt's not torqued ?
Im not buying it.

Besides,you buy a short block I would think you might actually go over any and all bolts before you finish the assembly -
You added the oil pump I assume,maybe a windage tray ?
Dont you own a torque wrench? Dont you check your own ad on's ?
So why would you not check the whole motor ?
Maybe the rods were defective,maybe the bolts were tight but the rod was preventing the bolt from clamping fully,sorta like when you tighten a bolt thats too long for the hole...

Bash the guy all you want,you get what you pay for and you bought the cheapest engine you could find,Dynoflo good bad or otherwise is an internet low cost builder - maybe it was hand tight or maybe not
but I see it as operator error -you failed to finish the assembly like a professional, live and learn then move foward.

mitchz, how much did scott pay you for that one ?

YOU KNOW SLOWMAN-- :idea: -SOMETHING SOUNDS AWFULLY FUNNY ON THAT SLAP BACK AT FASTBOWTIE~~~~~CHEAP OR EXPENSIVE--IF IT WAS NOT PUT TOGETHER RIGHT THE FIRST TIME IT WASN'T RIGHT PERIOD!!!!!-----THE FIRE IS HEATING UP ALOT :oops: :oops: :oops:

livily,it sounds like a second one that don't have a clue. the bolts are to long is funny that would mean that dynoflo f'ed up if the bolts were to long.if you put a windage tray on you don't loosen the rod bolts DAAAAA!!!! MICTHZ, i see so if you by a new car you have to put a torque wrench on all the bolts just in case the dumbass at the factory forgot. please get the tractor and pull hard.

lol

GEEEEEE--MAYBE THEY USED THE INTAKE BOLTS IN THE RODS AND THE HEAD BOLTS IN THE MAINS---BOY OH BOY I SURE AM GETTING CONFUSED ON WHAT GOES WHERE!!!! :roll: :roll:I KNOW----THEY USED A NONENGLISH TORQUE WRENCH :cry: :cry:

the tractor is going to be very very big to pull some heads out of there stink hole.

Mitch Believe what you want Like I said If there is doubt call the Owner who checked them at SSRE the phone # is in a prior post .Hindsight is 20/20 If I would have known about any problems with DynoFlo Yes I would have checked them but we felt confident in their motors .So what you are saying is even though You ,I or anyone else that purchases a motor from a builder it,s our responcibility to recheck everything we paid them to do :?: Well maybe Im wrong for not checking them and putting my confidence in DynoFlo but regaurdless it should have been done rite the first time .This post wasnt brought over to the Scammer section from the General section To just complain about the Hand tight Rod Bolts from DynoFlo But also to show how I was treated over the phone and in emails by Scot Slotten just for implying that one of his motors had A loose Rod Bolt and asking what he would do about it.I will admit I did not put A torque wrench on the bottom End except to torque the oil pump bolt .If you want to think that I am in the wrong for not rechecking their work thats OK because it should have been done correctly at DynoFlo.