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Originally Posted by blownalky3
Not taking sides here, but it would take minutes to get your bank statements from the month of purchase and the next 3. That would clear this whole thing up and provide the proof needed. Emails prove nothing. You version or his version prove nothing. Want your money? Get the statements. Even if you are not a customer any more, they will assist you. Do yourself a favor and prove what you keep MEGA posting about
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It's the same thing you've been posting. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DIDN'T FILE A DISPUTE WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD COMPANY!!! I'm not going to refund you any money if your credit card company has already taken it back from PayPal. When a customer files a cc dispute with their cc company and the cc company finds out that its customer is in the right (which would be in your case), they will pull the funds directly out of that venders bank account whether you have a 100,000 balance or a -5,000.00 balance. PayPal told me you filed a dispute with your cc company and that your cc company pulled the funds back out for you. Period.
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Originally Posted by kyspeedparts
It's the same thing you've been posting. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DIDN'T FILE A DISPUTE WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD COMPANY!!! I'm not going to refund you any money if your credit card company has already taken it back from PayPal. When a customer files a cc dispute with their cc company and the cc company finds out that its customer is in the right (which would be in your case), they will pull the funds directly out of that venders bank account whether you have a 100,000 balance or a -5,000.00 balance. PayPal told me you filed a dispute with your cc company and that your cc company pulled the funds back out for you. Period.
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Just curious twin fogger, this took place back in June 2009 now 8 months later you finally post about it. :?
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Here you go SBC................... I took 2 seconds to make your email look the way I wanted it.
SO WHERE IS YOUR REAL PROOF??? BESIDES YOUR MOUTH??? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ Hello Jacob Harper, After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below. We have decided against you, and we are not able to recover any funds from the seller's account, as you have shown no proof. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed. Please know that we made our best effort to mediate this dispute in question and will sanction BOTH of you. Such action may include issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account. Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that it assures you that you are safe using PayPal. |
Originally Posted by BEAST477
Just curious twin fogger, this took place back in June 2009 now 8 months later you finally post about it. :?
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OK forget about the yellowbullet crap .
It would seem to me, if you were REALLY out the 3200 bucks or whatever it was...you would get the bank/CC statements and show him so you could get your cash back. You say you have posted proof...you posted the email,but not the CC statement. If you wanted the money you would post the statement. His side of it is you planned on doing a charge back after you got the boxes in order to scam him...well you are making it appear that he caught you in a scam and you are just retaliating.Not saying you are...but that's what it looks like. Just get him the proof he asks for,even if you don't think you should have to, and then get your money back. You can still "destroy his business" after you get your money. Why shoot yourself in the foot by being stuborn and screw yourself out of the money? |
Originally Posted by Tod74
OK forget about the yellowbullet crap .
It would seem to me, if you were REALLY out the 3200 bucks or whatever it was...you would get the bank/CC statements and show him so you could get your cash back. You say you have posted proof...you posted the email,but not the CC statement. If you wanted the money you would post the statement. His side of it is you planned on doing a charge back after you got the boxes in order to scam him...well you are making it appear that he caught you in a scam and you are just retaliating.Not saying you are...but that's what it looks like. Just get him the proof he asks for,even if you don't think you should have to, and then get your money back. You can still "destroy his business" after you get your money. Why shoot yourself in the foot by being stuborn and screw yourself out of the money? |
Originally Posted by TwinFoggerSBC
Where is any of his proof? He hasnt provided anything, I provided proof with an Paypal transaction ID that can be verified by them...and he has already said that he was paid....and never refunded me or sent the items. If what he said was true, why would he do business with me to begin with? Why not refuse to sell to me, why deposit the money into his bank acct and steal it before Paypal could take it back? The fact is, he received the money and stole it....and never refunded it or sent what he was paid for. Why would I want to retaliate? What would it get me? Nothing. I do not need anything for free. I pay for everything I get. He hasnt addressed any of the facts here. What happened to the $3320, ask him that. Paypal says he stole the money basically....I have written the money off as a lost. My mission now is to destroy him and his business. I gave him a chance to make things right, and he refused.... |
http://www.bbb.org/cincinnati/busine...ce-ky-3007418/
What about all of these complaints....were they trying to scam him too? I doubt it....the guy is a crook and so is his company. |
isnt refusing just dont wanna see some dirtbag get paid twice and that just how you come off and seem to be doing asked for the simple peice of proof you wont produce cause it would show that when your first scam was sniffed out you tried this one and it didnt work so now your pissed
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Originally Posted by Tod74
Originally Posted by TwinFoggerSBC
Where is any of his proof? He hasnt provided anything, I provided proof with an Paypal transaction ID that can be verified by them...and he has already said that he was paid....and never refunded me or sent the items. If what he said was true, why would he do business with me to begin with? Why not refuse to sell to me, why deposit the money into his bank acct and steal it before Paypal could take it back? The fact is, he received the money and stole it....and never refunded it or sent what he was paid for. Why would I want to retaliate? What would it get me? Nothing. I do not need anything for free. I pay for everything I get. He hasnt addressed any of the facts here. What happened to the $3320, ask him that. Paypal says he stole the money basically....I have written the money off as a lost. My mission now is to destroy him and his business. I gave him a chance to make things right, and he refused.... Hello Jacob Harper, After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below. We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed. Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account. Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that it assures you that you are safe using PayPal. ----------------------------------- Transaction Details ----------------------------------- Seller's Name: Ketucky Speed & Performance, LLC Seller's Email: [email protected] Seller's Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C Transaction Date: Jun 1, 2009 Transaction Amount: -$3,320.00 USD Your Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V Case Number: PP-718-326-974 Buyer's Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211 |
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I'm sorry I have to agree with these guys. You need to post proof. Not something you typed up. Blownalky typed up something that looks just as good as your so called proof. Which one do we believe? Look at it from our position. Scan and post your credit card statements then you have something valid. Not this he said she said crap it's getting old. Sorry JMO
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Originally Posted by dragonmaster093
isnt refusing just dont wanna see some dirtbag get paid twice and that just how you come off and seem to be doing asked for the simple peice of proof you wont produce cause it would show that when your first scam was sniffed out you tried this one and it didnt work so now your pissed
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Originally Posted by BEAST477
I'm sorry I have to agree with these guys. You need to post proof. Not something you typed up. Blownalky typed up something that looks just as good as your so called proof. Which one do we believe? Look at it from our position. Scan and post your credit card statements then you have something valid. Not this he said she said crap it's getting old. Sorry JMO
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no you listen ill type slow everyone here smart enough to see through your bs and since we dont buy your bs your on a tyrant worse then a 3yr old
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Originally Posted by dragonmaster093
no you listen ill type slow everyone here smart enough to see through your bs and since we dont buy your bs your on a tyrant worse then a 3yr old
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Originally Posted by blownalky3
Here you go SBC................... I took 2 seconds to make your email look the way I wanted it.
SO WHERE IS YOUR REAL PROOF??? BESIDES YOUR MOUTH??? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ Hello Jacob Harper, After careful review from our team of chimpanzees, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below. We have decided against you, and we will now sling poo at you from a close distance, as you have shown no proof. As stated in the PooPal User Agreement, recovery of poo associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed. Please know that we made our best effort to mediate this dispute in question and will throw poo at BOTH of you. Such action may include issuing a warning about the poo throwing , a temporary restriction of poo throwing , or extreme rapid fire poo slinging. Keep in mind that PooPal uses a number of factors to determine when to throw poo, including member complaints. Due to poo privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our poo policy and that it assures you that you are safe using PooPal. |
Just curious.
Is a photocopy of a credit card statement worth $3,320.00? Tell me Fogger would you trade a photocopy of a CC statement in exchange for $3320.00. Simple question- Not about proof, or BB complaints or who is right. Simple question, Would you trade a photocopy of a credit card statement for $3320? |
Originally Posted by slowmotion
Originally Posted by blownalky3
Here you go SBC................... I took 2 seconds to make your email look the way I wanted it.
SO WHERE IS YOUR REAL PROOF??? BESIDES YOUR MOUTH??? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ Hello Jacob Harper, After careful review from our team of chimpanzees, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below. We have decided against you, and we will now sling poo at you from a close distance, as you have shown no proof. As stated in the PooPal User Agreement, recovery of poo associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed. Please know that we made our best effort to mediate this dispute in question and will throw poo at BOTH of you. Such action may include issuing a warning about the poo throwing , a temporary restriction of poo throwing , or extreme rapid fire poo slinging. Keep in mind that PooPal uses a number of factors to determine when to throw poo, including member complaints. Due to poo privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our poo policy and that it assures you that you are safe using PooPal. |
Originally Posted by kyspeedparts
I feel like I need to put this to rest before it gets started. This "gentleman" who posted this is the same "gentleman" that back in October of 2008 purchased 4 MSD boxes from us and wanted them sent overnight. Now what kind of person would need 4 750.00 MSD boxes shipped overnight? It was an unusual purchase because they are very pricey. Myself and my ex business partner were very suspicious of the transaction and called PayPal to make sure indeed that we would be covered by them if something went wrong (if we got scammed). They insure us that as long as it was sent to an address that they credit card was tied to and that is was signed for, that it would be covered. Sure enough, this "gentleman" tried to dispute his cc with PayPal. Initially, PayPal deducted the money back from our account but after talking to them, they paid us back. In May or June of last year, he tried to do the same thing. He paid PayPal for 4 of the same boxes. We decided not to do the transaction because we again thought it was a scam. We later closed down our eBay store and our PayPal account. PayPal informed me long ago that this "gentleman" again had disputed his cc payment with them. He says that we owe him for these boxes and PayPal will tell you that he initially paid for them, but the money was put back on his card due to the dispute. I told this "gentleman" numorous times that if he would have PayPal and his cc company get me statements or letters or even a phone call proving that this money had not been put back on his cc, that I would definitely make it right. He uses the excuse that he doesn't bank with the same bank anymore and that PayPal isn't willing to help him out with this. I told him even though he doesn't bank with the same bank anymore, that they do keep records and they can get him proof of this transaction. He feels like he doesn't have to show proof and that I guess I should take his word for it. I don't think so. Like I said, have the bank & PayPal get with me or send me the information and I will make it right. My belief is that this "gentleman" is a scammer and has been one and is trying to pull some BS move. If anyone would like to ask me any questions, please feel free to call. Sorry for taking up so much time for this BS. Dwight Workman. 859-647-7223.
Ok...wait a minute here. Ok he says that in October of 2008 purchased 4 MSD boxes from us and wanted them sent overnight. He admits here that he did indeed get paid for those boxes. He says paypal took the money away but eventually gave it back. OK. DONE DEAL. TFSBC Got his boxes and KSP got their money. DONE THEN HE SAYS...In May or June of last year, he tried to do the same thing. He paid PayPal for 4 of the same boxes. We decided not to do the transaction because we again thought it was a scam. We later closed down our eBay store and our PayPal account. PayPal informed me long ago that this "gentleman" again had disputed his cc payment with them. He says that we owe him for these boxes and PayPal will tell you that he initially paid for them, but the money was put back on his card due to the dispute. What he does not say outright is that he got the money from the boxes,He says TFSBC paid PAYPAL then disputed the charge,and PAYPAL put the money back on his card...WELL if THAT IS THE CASE it should be just as easy for KSP to prove this as it would be for TFSBC to prove it. IF PAYPAL put the money back on his card they had to take the money away from KSP!!! He could show HIS bank statement where the money was removed from his account!! He admits that he closed his paypal account. This is the part that bothers me right here...HE has said that if TFSBC shows that he was not credited he will make it right....So what, now he expects us to believe that he has $3300 in his bank account that he didn't know was there??? The fact that he says he will pay TFSBC back if he shows proof means that he indeed DID recieve the $3300 from paypal, in which case, He is wrong. Even if PAYPAL gave TFSBC his money back as KSP says...KSP has NO RIGHT to keep the $3300 whether it belong to TFSBC or PAYPAL!!! PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE $3300 IF YOU DIDN'T SEND THE BOXES. |
Originally Posted by Scorpion1110
Just curious.
Is a photocopy of a credit card statement worth $3,320.00? Tell me Fogger would you trade a photocopy of a CC statement in exchange for $3320.00. Simple question- Not about proof, or BB complaints or who is right. Simple question, Would you trade a photocopy of a credit card statement for $3320? |
Originally Posted by TwinFoggerSBC
Originally Posted by slowmotion
Originally Posted by blownalky3
Here you go SBC................... I took 2 seconds to make your email look the way I wanted it.
SO WHERE IS YOUR REAL PROOF??? BESIDES YOUR MOUTH??? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ Hello Jacob Harper, After careful review from our team of chimpanzees, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below. We have decided against you, and we will now sling poo at you from a close distance, as you have shown no proof. As stated in the PooPal User Agreement, recovery of poo associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed. Please know that we made our best effort to mediate this dispute in question and will throw poo at BOTH of you. Such action may include issuing a warning about the poo throwing , a temporary restriction of poo throwing , or extreme rapid fire poo slinging. Keep in mind that PooPal uses a number of factors to determine when to throw poo, including member complaints. Due to poo privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our poo policy and that it assures you that you are safe using PooPal. Here it is again. Would you trade a credit card statement for $3320.00 ? |
scorp goes to my opinion here hes bs that he cant prove that he didnt already get the money and wants to get payed twice
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Guys..as much as I hate to admit it, I think KSP has some explaining to do here...unless I misunderstand what I read...if so, please set me straight.
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WHY SHOULD KSP GET TO KEEP THE $3300? HE NEVER SENT THE BOXES!! Don't expect me to believe he would just take a $3300 hit out of the goodness of his heart...it seems to me he thinks he should be able to keep PAYPALS money as long as TFSBC got his back.
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Originally Posted by Tod74
What he does not say outright is that he got the money from the boxes,He says TFSBC paid PAYPAL then disputed the charge,and PAYPAL put the money back on his card...WELL if THAT IS THE CASE it should be just as easy for KSP to prove this as it would be for TFSBC to prove it. IF PAYPAL put the money back on his card they had to take the money away from KSP!!! He could show HIS bank statement where the money was removed from his account!! He admits that he closed his paypal account. This is the part that bothers me right here...HE has said that if TFSBC shows that he was not credited he will make it right....So what, now he expects us to believe that he has $3300 in his bank account that he didn't know was there??? The fact that he says he will pay TFSBC back if he shows proof means that he indeed DID recieve the $3300 from paypal, in which case, He is wrong. Even if PAYPAL gave TFSBC his money back as KSP says...KSP has NO RIGHT to keep the $3300 whether it belong to TFSBC or PAYPAL!!! PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE $3300 IF YOU DIDN'T SEND THE BOXES. |
Originally Posted by Tod74
Originally Posted by kyspeedparts
I feel like I need to put this to rest before it gets started. This "gentleman" who posted this is the same "gentleman" that back in October of 2008 purchased 4 MSD boxes from us and wanted them sent overnight. Now what kind of person would need 4 750.00 MSD boxes shipped overnight? It was an unusual purchase because they are very pricey. Myself and my ex business partner were very suspicious of the transaction and called PayPal to make sure indeed that we would be covered by them if something went wrong (if we got scammed). They insure us that as long as it was sent to an address that they credit card was tied to and that is was signed for, that it would be covered. Sure enough, this "gentleman" tried to dispute his cc with PayPal. Initially, PayPal deducted the money back from our account but after talking to them, they paid us back. In May or June of last year, he tried to do the same thing. He paid PayPal for 4 of the same boxes. We decided not to do the transaction because we again thought it was a scam. We later closed down our eBay store and our PayPal account. PayPal informed me long ago that this "gentleman" again had disputed his cc payment with them. He says that we owe him for these boxes and PayPal will tell you that he initially paid for them, but the money was put back on his card due to the dispute. I told this "gentleman" numorous times that if he would have PayPal and his cc company get me statements or letters or even a phone call proving that this money had not been put back on his cc, that I would definitely make it right. He uses the excuse that he doesn't bank with the same bank anymore and that PayPal isn't willing to help him out with this. I told him even though he doesn't bank with the same bank anymore, that they do keep records and they can get him proof of this transaction. He feels like he doesn't have to show proof and that I guess I should take his word for it. I don't think so. Like I said, have the bank & PayPal get with me or send me the information and I will make it right. My belief is that this "gentleman" is a scammer and has been one and is trying to pull some BS move. If anyone would like to ask me any questions, please feel free to call. Sorry for taking up so much time for this BS. Dwight Workman. 859-647-7223.
Ok...wait a minute here. Ok he says that in October of 2008 purchased 4 MSD boxes from us and wanted them sent overnight. He admits here that he did indeed get paid for those boxes. He says paypal took the money away but eventually gave it back. OK. DONE DEAL. TFSBC Got his boxes and KSP got their money. DONE THEN HE SAYS...In May or June of last year, he tried to do the same thing. He paid PayPal for 4 of the same boxes. We decided not to do the transaction because we again thought it was a scam. We later closed down our eBay store and our PayPal account. PayPal informed me long ago that this "gentleman" again had disputed his cc payment with them. He says that we owe him for these boxes and PayPal will tell you that he initially paid for them, but the money was put back on his card due to the dispute. What he does not say outright is that he got the money from the boxes,He says TFSBC paid PAYPAL then disputed the charge,and PAYPAL put the money back on his card...WELL if THAT IS THE CASE it should be just as easy for KSP to prove this as it would be for TFSBC to prove it. IF PAYPAL put the money back on his card they had to take the money away from KSP!!! He could show HIS bank statement where the money was removed from his account!! He admits that he closed his paypal account. This is the part that bothers me right here...HE has said that if TFSBC shows that he was not credited he will make it right....So what, now he expects us to believe that he has $3300 in his bank account that he didn't know was there??? The fact that he says he will pay TFSBC back if he shows proof means that he indeed DID recieve the $3300 from paypal, in which case, He is wrong. Even if PAYPAL gave TFSBC his money back as KSP says...KSP has NO RIGHT to keep the $3300 whether it belong to TFSBC or PAYPAL!!! PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE $3300 IF YOU DIDN'T SEND THE BOXES. |
I am too busy eating crow to type much of a response. :oops:
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Originally Posted by slowmotion
Originally Posted by Tod74
What he does not say outright is that he got the money from the boxes,He says TFSBC paid PAYPAL then disputed the charge,and PAYPAL put the money back on his card...WELL if THAT IS THE CASE it should be just as easy for KSP to prove this as it would be for TFSBC to prove it. IF PAYPAL put the money back on his card they had to take the money away from KSP!!! He could show HIS bank statement where the money was removed from his account!! He admits that he closed his paypal account. This is the part that bothers me right here...HE has said that if TFSBC shows that he was not credited he will make it right....So what, now he expects us to believe that he has $3300 in his bank account that he didn't know was there??? The fact that he says he will pay TFSBC back if he shows proof means that he indeed DID recieve the $3300 from paypal, in which case, He is wrong. Even if PAYPAL gave TFSBC his money back as KSP says...KSP has NO RIGHT to keep the $3300 whether it belong to TFSBC or PAYPAL!!! PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE $3300 IF YOU DIDN'T SEND THE BOXES. |
Guys...read the KSP side of the story slowly...TFSBC is right. Only, KSP thinks he is ripping off PAYPAL and not TFSBC...He thinks PAYPAL refunded TFSBC money to him and the money he has belongs to PAYPAL. WHY is it ok to rip off PAYPAL and not TFSBC?
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Originally Posted by Tod74
I am too busy eating crow to type much of a response. :oops:
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Originally Posted by TwinFoggerSBC
Originally Posted by Tod74
I am too busy eating crow to type much of a response. :oops:
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Originally Posted by Tod74
Guys...read the KSP side of the story slowly...TFSBC is right. Only, KSP thinks he is ripping off PAYPAL and not TFSBC...He thinks PAYPAL refunded TFSBC money to him and the money he has belongs to PAYPAL. WHY is it ok to rip off PAYPAL and not TFSBC?
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Originally Posted by Tod74
Originally Posted by TwinFoggerSBC
Originally Posted by Tod74
I am too busy eating crow to type much of a response. :oops:
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Originally Posted by kyspeedparts
Originally Posted by TwinFoggerSBC
Dwight where is the $3320? Quick questions. Were you sent $3320 and did you receieve it with no problems and deposit the money into your bank acct? Yes or No....did YOU send the parts you were paid for or refund the money? Yes or No....simple questions...simple answers...
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If the money from the second transaction was never put into his account OR it was put into his account and then removed...WHY would he agree to pay him back if he didn't get credit back from paypal? Is he trying to tell us that he would GIVE TFSBC $3320 of HIS own money to make up for PAYPAL screwing him? I do not think so.
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Originally Posted by Tod74
If the money from the second transaction was never put into his account OR it was put into his account and then removed...WHY would he agree to pay him back if he didn't get credit back from paypal? Is he trying to tell us that he would GIVE TFSBC $3320 of HIS own money to make up for PAYPAL screwing him? I do not think so.
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