:twisted: ROADTRIP!!!!

:twisted:

Hey Firebird..No Question My mind that the Guy owes you $1,000

But being the voice of reason let me say this...Not trying to discount the fact of what has happended..but you still have yourself to blame for some of this..( not trying to turn anything around on you by No means but it is what it is, i have several issues how you conducted your end,you invited a dis-honest situation to present itself before you)

But i think we have all read stories and know of someone in this world that has done something that ended up costing them much more than it started out,their Freedom and Even there lives.. (maybe if someone gave a voice of reason to them it could have helped)

I see you getting more and more Angry here...Maybe its time to back off and take a deep breath...One thing for sure you cannot Spend $1,000 with any School and get the education you just learned..

Just think about it thats all. Sometimes a man has to just walk away. (not telling you what to do just trying to make you think a little cause i don't know what your thinking)

Brian

Firebird89 has started two posts.
"Beware of Wayneworld154 from Owensboro, KY" who he sold his car to.
"Never buy from Jim Edwards" who he bought a car from.

Sounds like he is upset with his buyer and his seller.
Who ever is right or wrong doesnt really matter. Bottom line is you sold your car and its a done deal.

And as a lesson to everyone who buys and sells. Go to you local office supply store and purchase a carbonless sales book, put it in your glove box so you can be better prepared for yourself and both parties have the exact same signatures and writings. Things like this should never happen.

Both of your last posts have made very good and valid points. Now that you felt the need to drag up a post from a dispute from a guy that boned me on a car, I'd like to know exactly how much you know on that deal? Seeing as how the outcome no longers matters (to you). I really don't give a shit what your opinion is of my easy going personallity. If you want to bash me for being trusting and giving the benefit of the doubt---go for it. Puts you right in the same attitude and mindset of those same people that made shaddy business choices. And I don't mean lax, I mean shaddy. Not that I need to explain anything about the 95 Z I bought and got the bone on, but seeing as how some of you like to try and degrade anyone at any angle----here it is. 100% (short version) Bought this 95 Z28 from Jim Edwards out of Indiana. He had the car advertised to run low 10s on motor alone---no nos. Cold working A/C, etc... A/c blew hot, really didn't care in the least. Took the car right to Byron dragway and the best the car ran was 11:40s. My call to him managed to get a answer of he didn't know because he didn't run the car. Funny how that story changed so quickly. Car only ran a best of 11:35 when I FIXED it and sold it. Yes. FIXED it. I only got a few passes out of it because it started making noise under the bottom end. Loaded it up and headed home. Found most of the flexplate bolts backed out or missing. Further into it it appeared one had broke off in the crank flange. Geeez---it was a broken off tap. Sold me a broken car that he knew I was taking it right to the 1/4 track. Not only did he lie and say him and his buddys built it and that it ran 10:00s on motor alone and that they painted it, etc...........it was knowingly broken. I shelled out 15K for that car. I guess when a man throws down 15 clams for a car, he really shouldn't expect he's getting what he was told he was huh? Is that how we should operate while buying? Show up with a attitude because you know this car your buying is probably f-ed up right? Cop a attitude with the seller because everyone on here sells thier stuff like that and it's acceptable??? I'd bet if you did a pole, you would find tons of people that do not want to be associated with that type of mentallity. And as for my deal with the firebird---this will be about the 3rd time I've explained this, so please listen close. I proved my point that I have legal recourse---cars legaly titled in my name and the receipt I showed was obviosuly not folded or altered. Fine---However, go back to the original post I made. The whole point was to warn people they could get the shaft on this car if they delt with this worm. He is not a stright player people. The car is nice---I raced it for a few years and it's won lots of $$$, but is it worth taking a chance buying it from a shaddy guy? Do what you want. Goodluck---I'm out :D

In my opion, if it matters, I would only buy a race car after I seen it run down the track. That way there is no problems. or BS on how fast, goes straight, this, that or the other thing. If im shelling out 15,000 I want to see proff, unless your buying a roller then thats different, then you take a buddy with you and a tape measure and make sure everything is straight and squared up and 4 eyes are better then 2, Thats my 2 cents

You are exactly right!!!! You can NOT take anyones word for anything. I know there are some very honest sellers and buyers on here, unfortunately we also have some of the big liars and thiefs among us to. Blown is right--check every single possible thing you can. Never assume or take anyones word for the truth. NO EXCEPTIONS!

I know there are some very honest sellers and buyers on here, unfortunately we also have some of the big liars and thiefs among us to. Blown is right--check every single possible thing you can. Never assume or take anyones word for the truth. NO EXCEPTIONS!! I MUST AGREE>>>>>>>>>>

So where is this little scum bag now if he's sooooo dam honest??? Haven't heard a peep out of his loser ass have we??? Some poor sucker probably bought that firebird or traded him and he doesn't even legally own it.

you know i cant find his profile any more

big shocker huh? I guess all of you local people down in his area know exactly what kind of loser you have amongst you now.

:? :!:

Have you done anything to get your Money back yet ?

He is no doubt lurking in the shadows. This ad I found under the "most recent" ads this morning.
1500343
Good luck recovering your money.

I'm still waiting on the local state police to get back to me. I've also got someone local to him keeping a eye on him. I'll be heading back down to Georgia in a few weeks. Maybe I'll have to make a pit stop myself. :twisted: What do you think guys? I do like to play base ball. It would be nice to get in a little batting practice!!!! :shock:

Hello From Hell='s Real Life
 

WHATS A GOINON GENTLEMEN??... I see you fellas are still "Bustin Balls" and getting to the truth..I knew I was not being missed or needed and it is good to know all is well here on the greatest scammer section in the world!!!!!!!!!!

Always works out that if they answer enough questions the truth will come out!!!

As a matter of fact, if any of you guys or gals out there reading this want the total truth----here is the vin# off of that Firebird--1G2FS21E7KL244728--Wisconsin title. If any of you have means to run this vin #, you will see that the car is currenlty owned by me and my wife. And if anyone does run this and does see this to be 100% true, please come on and varify that this little scum bag is selling someone elses car.

Where is this little dirtbags response now? Why is it he had all the proof, but now he will not come back on here to show us? Last time I knew, or at least when people in this country had morals that is, when you had someones property and owed them money, it was theft. If you hold a title and legal registration to a vehicle, you should not have to go to their legal district and sue them to get your property back. Right or wrong?

Well---looks like the cops in this guys County and State are as much red neck losers as he is. Obviosuly the law isn't going to help me uphold the law it seems. I would like to know if anyone knows if this clown still even has the car or if he's turned it on to another person??? Any info would be appreciated.

I bought an engine from him around the end of March. He delivered it to me. It had what he said in it. Only thing is he said it had 36 runs on it. He must have missed a 3 in front of that 36. I took the engine and had in completly freshened. I am not really complaining because he sold it to me cheap enough. I was quite sure it needed to be gone through. I would have still bought it even had he been truthful about the number of runs on it. I do not feel like he burned me, because I could tell just by looking at it externally it had many more runs than advertised on it and I payed him and he went on his way. This is my first post ever in the forum. All and all Racing Junk has been great for our dealership. I have many new customers & freinds from the site. I have also made several purchases off here I was very happy with. I hope you resolve your issue with Wayne.

Well, you may have still bought it "IF" he had been honest about it. Right there is enough to show you his type of business practices. Very Lame and Low. I will catch up with him eventually one way or the other. Legal or not.

What is the outcome on this deal. Doing a title search shows a prior lein that may have never been cleared but that lein holder wrote it off. I think this may have come up in your talks with him??? Did the lein ever get paid? IF not care to say why. The car was used a good faith to pay back a loan.

This whole thing just does not add up. To many questions, why did he leave with a car that was not paid for? Why would he have $13,000 to $14,000.00 on him drive that far only to be short $1,000.00 ????

What time did he get to your house to pick up the car???? Did you give him a set time Before 7 am after 6 pm???

Folded page none folded paper both equals a agreement to sell something and a agreed price. By law... Now selling a car and not provding a title means to some point you do still own the car but he does have a legal interest in it showing part ownership. What this means is... if the owner of the car takes it out on the road and kills someone with it guess what YOU are also liable for his actions. Why? you ask. Well the fact that you never went to your DMV and had the car signed over in the legal world to him. You may think signing it over to them or a bill of sale is good but it does not enter it into the DMV world.

I wonder why people think the cops are on one side or the other. What you are saying is that out of the 50,000 plus people in his home town the cops like and pic him. This is 2009 not 1930's Mayberry. The law is the law like it or not.

If you think you have full rights to the car drive down and call the state police... and repo your car. I can tell you this it's not going to happen. You signed a paper and gave him the car. Sorry but you also have made many bad statements about him and his bussiness when what you have is a civil case at best. Now when people do this and it cost people money the law has means of dealing with this as well. If he can show you cost him money because of your writen word you could end up owing him money.

I read so many of these reports on this site and wonder why people think that because they did not do the right thing they want someone to clean up the mess. Take ownership of your actions and stand up for what you feel is right. File a court case if your 100% sure you will win and get your $1,000.00 but be ready to provide a clear title.

People jump on here and say yeah he sold me a junk motor... did you check it out before you took it??? NO??? Why not. It's you hard earned money your handing over.

You know if he takes that Bill of Sale to GA they will give him a title if the vin number checks clear and no Lein on it. If it has an outstanding lein he will have to pay it off before the title will be issued.

I do not have a dog in this fight and how every it ends it ends but just because one person make the choice to stop posting I do not see that as guilty. I let the writen and spoken word make up my mind.

I do bring to the table over 20 years of investigation work with me and can tell everyone this.... this just does not add up.

interesting
 

Good point Robinhorn. My experience w/ buying used vehicles that were financed by the previous owner is this. Yeah the owner has received the title once he has paid off the note, BUT DID THE FINANCE SIGN-OFF ON THE LOAN????? That could be the lien that you are talking about. I have had this happen twice to me in the past 5 yrs. in buying 2 used vehicle's. So I had to go back to the person I purchased it from & have them take care of that which makes me have to wait at the most 2 weeks, counting the mail delivery. So if you have a lien on this title it should be stated right there on the title. In Virginia, it's getting so that a title doesn't mean spit w/out a Bill-Of-Sale, and any Lien(s) are listed on the front of the title, you can't miss it.
I thought that I saw WaynesWorld's name in the scammer column so I decided to check it out. He replied to a wanted add I have on here either last night or this morning. BUT, after reading all of the post's about this situation has left me confused.


" Have Trust In The Lord & Keep You're Eye On Everyone Else"
Kris

I HAVENT GONE ANYWHERE I AM RIGHT HERE EVERYDAY I HAVE READ EVERY POST PUT UP ON THIS MATTER I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND OWE NO ONE ANYTHING IF U WANT TO KNOW THE TRUE STORY OF ALL THIS JUST LET ME KNOW I WILL CONTACT U AND SHOW U THE MESSAGES I DO NOT HAVE ANY INTENTION OF GETTING INTO A PISSING CONTEST IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER SCREEN MOST OF THE STUFF I READ IS BULL ANYWAY GO BACK TO THE THREAD OF STUPID PEOPLE AND LOOK AT TOP SPORTSMANS VIDIEO AND THAT IS WHY I DONT RESPOND TO LIES AND HALFTRUTHS IF U WANT THE REAL STORY LET ME KNOW THANKS I HAVE READ AND AM FOLLING ROBIN HORNS ADVICE ON THIS MATTER THE PREVIOUS OWNER NEEDS TO GIVE UP THE TITLE TO SAVE US BOTH A LOT OF TROUBLE AND BELIEVE ME I HAVE SOLD CARS IN THE PAST AND STILL WISH TO THIS DAY I HADNT THAT IS THE WHOLE ISSUE HERE HE SOLD ME THE CAR AND HE EVEN TOLD ME HE DIDNT LIKE IT BUT WENT AHEAD AND SOLD IT

things dont sound right here if i was buying a car and didnt get title cause deal wasnt complete then i wouldnt drive away and on other hand i wouldnt let it leave till payed for my personal opinion is that pay 1000 to get title and both walk a way with life lesson dont leave till both sides are satisfied no title i would have walked away and damn sure would have made sure of price on this one here woulda brought first amount as insurance incase the other deal fell through on sellers part JMO

HERE IS WHAT EVERYONE KEEPS MISSING IN THIS DEAL I WAS NOT TOLD THERE WAS A TITLE TO CAR PAID THE MAN MONEY FOR CAR HE ASKED IF I WANTED A RECIEPT I SAID NO IT IS A DRAG CAR SO IT DIDNT MATTER SO LUCKILY HE WROTE ONE ANYWAY GAVE IT TO ME I LEFT WITH CAR WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT TITLE TILL 1 WEEK LATER THE 1000 HE TALKS ABOUT IS BLACKMAIL MONEY IF I WANT THE TITLE PAY MORE THAN AGREED PRICE THE LESSON HERE FOR ME IS THAT WHEN THEY SAY NO TITLE DRAG CAR ONLY TAKE THE TIME TO GO TO DMV AND DO TITLE SEARCH BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT I AM NOT MAD AT THIS PERSON I BOUGHT THE CAR FROM. I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR HIM I WAS AT PINKS ALL OUT LAST WEEK AT INDY AND HIS BEST FRIEND CAME UP TAKING PICTURES OF CAR AND ASKED IF IT WAS HIS OLD CAR I SAID YES AND I TOLD THE GUY ABOUT THE TITLE DEAL HE SAID THE SELLER NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ON MY END EVERYONE I KNOW KNOWS ABOUT THIS TILE SHOWING UP AFTER I PAID FOR CAR AND I HAVE OWNED THE CAR ALMOST A YEAR NOW AND THESE CARS I BUY AND SELL ARE AN INVESTMENT IT IS A BUSINESS TO ME I AM NOT IN LOVE WITH ANY OF THEM I BUY THEM RACE THEM FIX WHAT NEED FIXING AND RESALE THAT IS WHAT I DO SINCE THIS ALL STARTED I HAVE SOLD 5 OTHER CARS SOME HERE SOME NOT HERE MY POINT IS HE COULD HAVE JUST CALLED AND SAID I MADE A MISTAKE I WANT MY CAR BACK AND HE WOULD HAVE GOT IT BACK IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME LIKE I SAID IT IS BUSINESS NOT PERSONAL

Yep, I tend to agree with you guy's saying there is a piece or two missing here. Most people do not lay down thousands, then get a bill of sale, but no title?? Yet the car changes hands? weird...

Waynesworld: glad to see you make it.... almost 4 months later. What is up? You are just now chiming in after many posts & failed phone calls.... yet you seem way to cool with not having a title that is in someone elses name that you gave ALOT of money for... not to mention they are threating your ownership of the car!!! You say your not "emotional" & that it is an "investment"??? A disputed DRAG CAR w/ no title in someone elses name???? Not too good of an investment in my opinion dude. Maybe you otta define what "investment" means.... it's not that car I bet.

Firebird: You have been waiting & posting, threating w/ aid of cops, taking shots at wanyesworld evey chance you can. He has finnaly come on here & you guys are nowhere near fixing this mess. You hold the title in you & your wifes name... but no results, no repo, no money. Meanwhile, he is out racing the crap out of that car... seems he thinks he has paid in full & does not care.

I know one thing, when I get a bill of sale, hand cash over & take delivery of a car, IT IS DONE & I HAVE THE TITLE IN HAND. Otherwise, something major is wrong. I have to say that this whole thing is pretty stinky.

YEAH THIS ALMOST TAKES THE CAKE.
SOMETHING SMELLS FISHY

I have a story for you. It just happened to my neighbor. He purchased a really nice boat & trailer from a guy in the next state over. No title for boat or trailer, but the seller did write him a bill of sale. This was a year and a half ago.

Last month this guy shows up with a police escort. Told the police it was his boat. Neighbor showed the policeman his bill of sale, previous seller showed him the title, Seller left with the trailer and Boat.

I WOULD HAVE NEVER BELIEVED IT IF I HAD NOT SEEN IT MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My neighbor sunk a ton of money into the boat and its gone. He is in the process of suing the seller, but recently dfound out the seller sold the boat to someone off craigslist and my neighbors attorney has told him it will cost about 10 to 12 thousand dollars to fit the case and the boat is only worth 20,000.

I says no matter what hes out a ton of money.

Go figure.........

first of all rigsby there have been no phone calls and why should i respond to someone cussing and ranting and raving like a child the reason i am not emotional and no case has been filed by seller is he knows he is lying and i have the proof and there is know way in hell i will pay any other money for a car i have already paid for but what most of u are saying is if u bought a car in good faith was not told a title exsisted and a few days later the person says in there opinion u owe them another thousand dollars u would just pay it and say lesson learned well i am not that guy but you can bet that every police agency and district attorney in both states knows of this deal i have personally informed them and they have seen all the messages between the seller and i which most of u have not and would end this whole deal if u saw them and u are welcome to see these to help clear this up thanks all u have to do is ask i will give u my password u can read my messages he sent me from the start and the ones after i bought car let me know thanks

WOW, WHAT A MESS, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PARINOID ABOUT TITLE ISSUES & THIS JUST REMINDS ME WHY!! WHEN I SELL CARS I TAKE THE BUYER TO CURRENCY EXCHANGE WITH ME AND DO TITLE WORK RITE THERE TO GET TITLE OUT OF MY NAME, SAME WHEN I BUY I INSIST ON GOING AND HAVING TITLE WORK DONE WITH THE SELLER THERE.

MEMRACING62
x2 here

Waynesworld, I do appreciate the PM you sent me, Don't give anyone your password to your user name.
Save us all from having to log on your user name. Copy and paste all info on the message board. If you don't know how to I am sure there are many on this site that would be more than happy to help you.

Respectively,
ashbros

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From: firebird89 To: waynesworld154 Date: 2008-09-06 12:03:39
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I've contacted your local law enforcement agency and have notified them that I will be down to retrieve my car or my $1,000 you owe me--I will have proof of ownership in hand. You pulled one on me and your going to have to own up to it now Wayne. The car was priced to you for 13.5 if I bought that car for 13.5 only. The price otherwise was 14.5 and not a dime less. Who do you think the local law will tend to by you Wayne? You, or another law official that heard our entire conversation? I think your forgetting my co-pilot was a police officer. I should've told you to turn around right then and there for being so ignorant---so now I take the car back--you go to jail for theft, or you give me the $1,000 you owe me. I'll spend 5K to to 1K, I really don't care at this point.

On [2008-08-09 00:47:58] waynesworld154 wrote:
>
> i didnt do anything but buy a car that was priced to me for 13,500 dollars which you accepted and you made out both copies of bill of sale that we both signed and as far as i am concerned this is a legal and binding deal i am sorry the other car was not what you wanted and that you are not happybut we both know that when you sell a car with a bill of sale it is a legal sale i thought threw our conversations that this could be a friendship about the car but i see that that isnt the way you do business and please dont try to threaten me because it will not intimidate me we agreed on a price you recieved that price and i took delivery you counted the cash and you drove the car on the trailer and shook my hand and told me good luck as far as i am concerned it was a good deal and a done deal
> On [2008-08-08 18:33:11] firebird89 wrote:
> > Wayne----the way I see it, you owe me a grand. We had a agreement and you took total adavntage of the situtation. I should've just told you to turn around and go home since you couldn't wait to see if I was buying thay other car at 13.5 I'm sure your going to tell me to stick up my ass---but that will simply be your mistake Wayne. Trust me when I tell you I've got recourse that I could take and it would be totally legal. You and I both know you weasled this deal out of me, so you make the call. Settle this the right way---or the hard way. Which one is it going to be? You can pretend you didn't get this just like you pretended you didn't get my email from Monday night, but I've got that saved as well. I'm giving you 3 days to give me your answer before we take this further. If you would like to verfiy this info--the friend of mine that was with me in the car Tuesday night and listened to our conversation is a Green Bay cop. You can verify it all you want by calling the station. Ask them if there is a J. Young there. He backs me 100% on this.
> >
> > On [2008-08-03 22:44:52] waynesworld154 wrote:
> > > ok
> > >
> > > On [2008-08-03 22:37:27] firebird89 wrote:
> > > > I'll get some pics to you right now Wayne. I'll also try and send that one video. Hopfully you can open and play it. If you need any other pics or info Wayne, just let me know. Thanks! Rick
> > > >
> > > > On [2008-08-03 20:56:39] waynesworld154 wrote:
> > > > > send pics to [email protected] thanks
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sorry read from bottom to top on the dates messages sent bought car on 8-06-08 this should straighten all this mess out thanks for advice

Thats all the communivcations you have. How bout a copy of the bill of sale.

This transaction is a weird one.

So where did firebird go? I dont think its unusual to buy a drag car without a title, I have had 2 of them myself. Its been almost a year now and still no legal recourse. Sounds like waynesworld bought a dragcar for $13.5 with a bill of sale, done deal...

Amen ''Harbone'' I have two myself, owned for three years now, no problem :!: :!:

''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

hardbone & mopar I know what ya mean.

I am not taking any side yet, but its kind of odd that this waynesworld had been getting his a$$ ripped for such a long time yet it really soesn't appear either of them have very much documented info except for a bill of sale.

Anyone have a link to the old ad?

I could also see how the car could have been sold for 14,500 and the seller could have said I will hold onto the title until you send me the x=tra grand, and the buyer left knowing he would never send the grand and maybe he did not even want the title...

I am just saying.................................... We may never know....

Waynesworld: I got your PM; thankyou. I think we can look at this as a "deal gone bad" no matter the specifics. Bottom line: #1 Waynesworld paid 13,500 for a drag car & got a bill of sale. #2 IT WAS AFTER THAT SALE that this $1000.00 came into play as being owed to firebird the best I can tell. Man- that is piss poor buisness/negotiation!! After all, waynesworld DID PAY "13,500" DOLLARS & drove away w/ the car at Firebird's approval. Therefore, my opinion is AT THE VERY LEAST this was a pooly negotiated transaction if the seller says at a later date that the buyer must come up with a grand more. It is my understanding based on what I have read & been told that THE TITLE TO THIS CAR WAS NOT DISCLOSED UNTIL THE SELLER DEMANDED MORE MONEY. Last, my challenge to waynesworl & firebird:

1. scan the bill of sale & post it here.
2. scan the title & post it here.
3. give the original ad# & post it here.
4. Post relevant documented deal/agreement from original document & scan.

FAILURE OF THE FIRST 2 ITEMS BEING POSTED HERE MEANS SOMEONE IS NOT BEING HONEST.

Man up & lets put it all on the table boys. Scooter

SORRY I DONT KNOW HOW TO PUT PIC ON HERE BUT LOOK AT AD 1571614 HERE IS MY RECIEPT THE SIGHT WILL NOT PULL UP ORIGINAL ADS ON CAR BUT WHO LEAVES WITH YOUR CAR OWEING YOU A 1000.00 AND YOU HOLD THE TITLE TILL THE PERSON PAYS YOU READ THE MESSAGES I POSTED THERE IS NO MENTION OF A TITLE TILL WAY AFTER I WAS HOME BUT ANYWAY YOU WOULD NOT LET THE CAR LEAVE THE YARD TILL PAID IN FULL TRUE THANKS THIS IS ALL THE DOCUMENTATION I HAVE IS THE BILL OF SALE AND THE MESSAGES