clear silicone
 

Thanks everyone for the responces. I will take pictures and post. I will install the engine in the morning. Hope it is fixed. I would like to give Dyno-flo the benefit of the doubt. He charged me nothing to replace from what I can tell the head gaskets. From multi layer cometics to copper dont know the brand. Hopefully this cures the water in the motor and charging the cooling system. I know it is sad 1000hp and I depend on other people to build it. I can go on record regardless of if the motor is good now or not and say. Dyno-flo has the rudest customer service I have ever dealt with. Scott talks to you like you are stupid, the sad thing is. If he would have spoke to me with resepct, I would have offer to pay for this work he performed. Instead he was a complete failure. Wdll be back saturday afternoon to let you guys know if he did a good job on the motor.

Dynoflo
 

quote="altailites"]dude why are you bashing dynoflo when the guy is fixing your motor for free? Scott is not that bad of a guy remember he deals with assholes everyday and maybe he had a bad day when you picked it up . what part of town you live in ? or are you in Reno[/quote]


This guy has a point. But the question should be did he fix it? and why was it a piece of crap to start with.

Re: Dynoflo
 

This guy has a point. But the question should be did he fix it? and why was it a piece of crap to start with.[/quote] WOW you are an a hole .I was asking you what part of town you live in {in private} so if you were close I could come help you with your motor because it looks like you have no phucking clue what you are doing with a 1000hp motor. and let me guess if the motor has a leak or a water drop you are going to bash Scott again on here before you give him a chance to make it right . Scott has always treated me with respect and it looks like he is trying to make it right with you. now if he tells you to go pound sand thats when you make a post that he phucked you. and here is the scarry part down the road when you need to adj the valves, make jet changes, is this going to be scotts fault if you phuck that up? im just saying :lol:

Re: Dyna Flow engine builders
 

Where is a good place to buy the Valco silicone?

Re: Dyna Flow engine builders
 

www.dougherbert.com/valcocincinnati-m-331.html

Firpro Eric
 

Quite suprised to see you on here, but what else is new for you on this? Let me bring everyone up to speed. We built an engine with his blower. He complained that he had kept burning down the old one [blown head gasket]. Now on this one, we did find that it was extremely lean on the dyno and tuned that to eliminate that problem. He got the engine and asked everyone and their mom how to work on it and tune it. I spent probably 2 hours with him personally. I got tired of it, so he talked to Danny my counter guy for not less than 4 hours more. Over and over and over. Then he would change the tune, and say that someone told him to do it, andwe would say what did you do that for? Then his response is " I don' know anything about engines" Then stop tuning it. I was fed up, and told him well over 2 months ago to bring me the car and I would tune it and get this past us. He did not. Then he decided to work on it and pulled the intkae and when he reinstalled it, he filled up the engine w/ water, and called to say that he had just put in 100.00 worth of oil and that I should do something about it. I said bring the engine down, were are done playing this. So he brought the car, no I said bring the engine. Finally he brings the engine and wants to talk about it over and over. I told him that I am done talking about it. " This is your one freebee", you have played around and played around and wasted a lot of my time and my company's time on this, and we are done with that" So I paid for the tear down, I paid for the parts and I paid for the dyno time, which is my time, my life and my money. I have better shit to do than to try to please some guy who wants to jump up and bash. OK ERIC, HERE IT IS:

SEE, YOU PICKED UP THE ENGINE WITHOUT TALKING TO ME OR COMING UP FRONT TO ASK WHAT WE DID, SO YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE WRONG.

NO, IT DIDN'T HAVE A BLOWN HEAD GASKET, MAYBE THE CALCIUM STAINS AROUND YOUR INTAKE MANIFOLD AT ALL 4 CORNERS WOULD HAVE LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAD INSTALLED THE INTAKE MANIFOLD WRONG.

yOUR OVERHEATING PROBLEM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE TRYING TO CRUISE W/ 25% OVERDRIVE ON YOUR WORN OUT 871 BLOWER, SECOND YOUR TEMP GAUGE BUNG IS DEADHEADED AT THE REAR OF THE MANIFOLD AND DOES NOT GIVE A TRUE READING OF TEMP

YOU USED A FRAM FILTER AFTER BEING TOLD NOT TO, WE DID HAVE TO EAT A SET OF BEARINGS DUE TO YOUR $%^#

YOU SWITCHED THE SPARKPLUGS [NOW I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR HALF AN HOUR, BUT IF YOU HAD A QUESTION DARTHEADS.COM] I HAD 750" REACH GASKETED PLUGS IN IT, YOU SWITCHED TO TAPER SEAT .460" REACH PLUGS, NO OWNDER IT RAN LIKE SHIT, THE PLUG IS HALF WAY UP THE HOLE. tHE BLACK ON THE PLUGS WOULD HAVE BEEN A SURE SIGN THAT IT WAS IDLING TOO RICH IN 7500FT OF AIR WHEN YOU TOOK IT TO RENO, YOU COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO TURN THE IDLE MIXTURE SCREWS DOWN, BUT YOU SURE COULD DO ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS TO MESS IT UP... OHHH YEAH I FORGOT YOU DON;T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENGINES.

YOU CANNOT IMAGINE HOW UPSET I WAS TO WORK ON AN ENGINE THAT WAS RUNNING GREAT WHEN IT LEFT, TO HAVE YOU SCREW IT UP AND THEN I AM SPENDING MY WED EVENING ON THE DYNO WITH IT WHEN I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO, BUT I WANTED TO PLEASE A CUSTOMER. I WANTED YOU TO HAVE A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE.

YOU CHICKENS$%T F@#K, NEXT TIME, YOU WILL WANT TO COME AND SAY THANKS TO THE GUY WHO FOOTED THE BILL FOR YOUR B.S. WHEN YOU PICK IT UP...

THEN YOU UNGRATEFUL BIOTCH, YOU GET ON HERE AND QUESTION THE SILICONE GE GEN2 SILICONE SEALS WHERE NOTHING ELSE DOEs, AND SINCE YOU HAD INTAKE ISSUES WITH YOUR USED INTAKE [NOT SUPPLIED BY US] I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD NO MORE ISSUES.

NOW FOR WHAT WE DID TO ELIMINATE YOUR PROBLEMS:
LOCKED OUT THE DISTRIBUTOR @ 28* W/ 8.5:1 THAT SHOULD START EVERYTIME, AND IDLE MUCH CLEANER AND COOLER, I TOLD YOU ABOUT THAT NOT LESS THAN 4 TIMES BUT YOU CAN'T HEAR. [NO ARM CHAIR TUNERS PLEASE VEGAS AND RENO HAVE LOUSY AIR, IT WILL NOT PING ON 28*, MORE OVER HE RUNS RACE GAS AT THE TRACK] I PUT THE RIGHT PLUGS IN THE ENGINE, AND I LEANED OUT THE IDLE MIXTURE SCREWS. I ALSO WENT OUT OF MY WAY TO MAKE SURE YOUR JANKY INTAKE MANIFOLD DOESN'T LEAK.

PEOPLE SAY I HAVE A BAD ATTITUDE, WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE LIKE THIS.... YES I DO, AND IF YOU DON;T UNDERSTAND WHY THEN YOU ARE HOPELESS. :twisted:

THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW I WASTED MY TIME TRYING TO FACILITATE YOU. WHEN YOU F#$K IT UP AGAIN, MAKE SURE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.

IF YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT CHANGING THE TUNE ON THIS ENGINE IT WILL GO BACK TO THE "OVERHEATING" THAT YOU CLAIMED BEFORE.

BY THE WAY, MAYBE GET THE SENDER TO A POINT IN THE COOLING SYSTEM. :twisted:

I go the extra mile to make things happen for people. Most of the time guys do appreciate it. I have guys who will not touch their cars, because they only want me to work on it. I have guys who can take direction over the phone 3000 miles or 15000 miles away on open water to make their stuff run hard and clean. Eric, you have shown what a piece of shizit you are. Now back to my Saturday. I have another engine on the dyno that needs to be ready for an upcoming race.

Wow Scott, you are a liar. It is a 6-71 and 12.5 % over 54 bottom 48 top do your math. So the fram filter ruined the bearings? Does anyone else here buy that b s? You spoke to me on the phone once for 5 minutes, got the phone records. Danny for 1/2 hour total and he kept telling me you dont want to talk to me as did the girl this friday when I spoke to her. Yea you told me to bring the motor in, I work in vegas and live in reno. So I had to wait to get home to bring the motor back. Did you did you not tell Danny to tell me to just bring it back and you would show me? Show me what. If you weren't the rude prick, I would have gladly paid you for your time. Oh yea those plugs were put in to load on the trailer. The other plugs were burnt to a crisp. watch for the pic in the forum along with video. So thank you for your time oh yea you installed the intake, remember? You dynoed it. It leaked on your workmanship. Not mine. Regardless, thank you for your time and effort. I will update the results after starting it. Only change I made was move timing from 38 to 34. Good luck in the future.

Re: Dynoflo
 

Fair enough, I am in vegas. and look at the forums. I am not the only guy having problems. His employees are either lieing or what I am saying is true. Regardless, it took this post to get a responce. His employees told me he does not want to talk to me. Why would I lie? Just pissed at the lack of customer service. I did get a call from a new guy at dynoflo and he was awesome, so maybe thier is hope. If it works great I will say that and say thank you.


This guy has a point. But the question should be did he fix it? and why was it a piece of crap to start with.[/quote] WOW you are an a hole .I was asking you what part of town you live in {in private} so if you were close I could come help you with your motor because it looks like you have no phucking clue what you are doing with a 1000hp motor. and let me guess if the motor has a leak or a water drop you are going to bash Scott again on here before you give him a chance to make it right . Scott has always treated me with respect and it looks like he is trying to make it right with you. now if he tells you to go pound sand thats when you make a post that he phucked you. and here is the scarry part down the road when you need to adj the valves, make jet changes, is this going to be scotts fault if you phuck that up? im just saying :lol:[/quote]

Oil Filter
 

Just an FYI Firepro, view the general forum to see the many, many threads regarding Fram filters and then find the nearest dumpster.

fla1976 ya beat me to it!! :D if eleven pages in the fram thread doesn't convince you nothing will !! :shock:

I don't win a reaction time contest very often, thanks, :D

Re: Dynoflo
 

You dont know all the facts. He people tell me he does not want to talk. I spoke to him on the phone for 5 minutes and he says 2 hours. So he is correct? How does a oil filter from fram that had less than 10 minutes on it burn the bearings? It can't. Scott installed the manifold and dynoed the motor. How did I make it leak? Because he said I installed it. I have dyno sheets, did I make those up also? I appreciate you defending him. I am sure he stuff is good for the most part. But you are only getting a small piece of what all took place. And in his defence, maybe it is just some of his moron employees. I got a call today from dynoflo. very thankful for that. 775-745-0374 that is my # if you would like to know all the details. I have nothing to hide. I paid alot of money and did not get what I paid for, this makes me a bad guy? I called and called and some of the idiots that work for him said he will just yell at you and does not want to talk to me. Thanks for the time and open your mind before you judge me. I did not get what I paid for. And for the guy who says do it yourself, great small minded thinking. Do you fill your own teeth aswell or go to the dentist? Think before you insult someone.


This guy has a point. But the question should be did he fix it? and why was it a piece of crap to start with.[/quote] WOW you are an a hole .I was asking you what part of town you live in {in private} so if you were close I could come help you with your motor because it looks like you have no phucking clue what you are doing with a 1000hp motor. and let me guess if the motor has a leak or a water drop you are going to bash Scott again on here before you give him a chance to make it right . Scott has always treated me with respect and it looks like he is trying to make it right with you. now if he tells you to go pound sand thats when you make a post that he phucked you. and here is the scarry part down the road when you need to adj the valves, make jet changes, is this going to be scotts fault if you phuck that up? im just saying :lol:[/quote]

I would like to see a picture of the engine,just to see if it is a 671 or 871..please post one on here..that should clear some of this up.

Bearings
 

Firepro

You must not of looked at the very lengthy thread concerning Fram Oil Filters!!!! Go read for a while. And YES, A FILTER CAN TAKE OUT THE BEARINGS IN SECONDS, NOT MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not sticking up for anyone, but he gave you very sound advice on the filter which you clearly chose to ignore. Did you think he just dislikes Fram? Or do you think he was telling you to stay away because he has experience with oil filters causing big dollar engine failures to which Fram will do NOTHING ABOUT????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

No matter who you choose to build your stuff, ignoring their advise when you admit knowing little about motors is kinda stupid. Just gives the builder ammo to stick it back to you. Wouldn't you rather follow their instructions to the letter and if you had problems what could they say???? You did EVERYTHING they asked right? It also makes for a tense partnership, because who you choose to spend that kind of money with should be someone you trust and who's advise you value not ignore. AGAIN, I AM NOT TAKING SIDES, but do you think his ignoring you and not having a conversation with you had anything to do with not taking his advise and then complaining to HIM?

Trust me, sh!TT happens to the best builders. I have had brand new motors break brand new stuff. Would have happened to whoever got those parts. I can tell you a guy here had his motor break on the dyno before he even got it (from a very well known mountain motor guy) and they called him and told him he needed to pay for new parts. Lets hope you fired it up and all is well.

Re: Bearings
 

Blown, sorry don't know your name. The advise was not given to me. First I appreciate the responce. I agree that a motor can break at start up, as you said $hit happens. His responce is not entirely honest and correct. First Scott did stand up and look at the engine, for that he is awesome. But It took 2 months of calling and stopping by and talking with Danny and getting the run around. Maybe Scott did not know the issues and how many times I called asking for his expert advise. I do listen when I can talk to Scott. Maybe this is all due to his employees being liars. I dont know. That fram filter was put on so I could load car on trailer, engine trouble long before that. So I wont use fram, I understand this. I started the car up 1 hour ago. drained oil first, had 4 quarts of oil in it. So I put new oil 7 Quarts and it fired right up. Sounds great rough idle but that can be adjusted. He had an employee call me while I was installing it, this was in my opinion classy and showed me something. But in his responce on here I am a biotch stupid mother f u c k er, read it. This is his attitude once he was paid in full. From the begginning he says I screwed the motor up. When you buy a turnkey motor, the name says it all. It leaked from the intake water jackets from the moment i turned it on. Oh by the way, the intake gaskets were 2 .060's glued togeather. I took them to Danny at Dynoflo and showed him. Scott was not there. Danny tried back peddling and gave me .120 intake gaskets and said don't tell Scott he will just yell. Bottom line he built it and I believe now that some of his employees were hiding some stuff from him. But Scott and Dynoflo did stand up to the plate and make the repairs. I will drive it Saturday to see if in deed it is fixed. Thier is alot more history that was not disclosed. But I do appreciate someone from the outside giving thier opinion. My only question is why did it take this forum to get a responce from Scott. I called trying to get help, which I would have gladly paid for. Maybe he should find better employees if that is the problem. I tried, He saw me there twice and would not look at me and stayed in the back. Then talks tough on the computer, instead of when I am there. We will see eachother at the next PSCA race. Maybe he can talk to me then or I will just stop by the shop, If he will come out of the back. Who knows. Thanks for listening. Advice and your opinion are appriciated.

Re: Firpro Eric
 

Wow, read this again. You were suppose to lockout the distributor, you didn;t the first time. You were suppose to install inner head studs, you didn't. Are they in now? I have written quote which I paid for saying this. I called everyone for advise? No just you and Danny. Maybe he never told you. 2 hours on phone< Come on Scott I have the phone bill. I understand you defending your company. I would as well. You might be able to make claims on here an insult me because I don't know much about motors. But you had no problem with my used blower and manifold when you wanted my money. Let;s get past me screwing the motor up and answer with class some question for all to see.

1. why no inner studs when I purchased them?
2.Why glue 2 .60 intake gaskets together instead of 1 .120? ( I showed Danny and still have them)
3. How did I screw it up when all I did is install it just like you took it off your dyno and the exhaust gases got so hot at idle that it melted my plug wires and electrical wiring going to alternator , wires were 10" from headers, again this is on video.
4. This thread is getting old, I would have liked to keep buying from you in the future. But you might want to be honest and think about how your employees represent you and how you speak to people. Bad service travles faster than good service. I would like to take this time to Thank you for stepping up and looking at the engine. I will be stopping by to talk to you in person, so we dont have anymore of this computer tough guy stuff. You saw me there and stayed away and she told me you had nothing for me and did not need to talk. So I laughed and said that speaks volumes. Seriously, Thanks Scott. Dynoflo stepped up and re did the engine. Hopefully it is done. Thanks everyone for your replies.

Re: Bearings
 

Hey bozo look what you just posted Danny is a stand up guy and I know him well and you my friend just threw him under the bus. think before you post dip-s. I just talked to Danny on the phone and from what he told me you should not even own a race motor or a gun for that matter . the gaskets were not glued together but he did say they looked like they were coming apart . go ahead keep bashing scott and see if he will keep helping you . again think before you post [/b]

Re: Bearings
 

Hey, so when are the facts throwing someone under the bus. And yes danny appeared to be a good guy. Maybe you are made of money and can afford to throw away 12k. I can't. Get the whole story instead of defending a friend, this is called charector. You have my #, call me and we can meet if you would like. i have not done anything wrong, except do business with him. Get over it. I will agree you have had good dealings with him. And I would imagine alot of other people have got great service from Dynoflo. I got the run around, period. Thanks for the responce, now be like Scott and reply in your ignorant rude way. Facts only, read all the thread, first. Why would I lie and not bring the engine back as scott said he said. Oh yea I like my car broke. Think about it. Someone is lieing. I am the one with the bad engine. Read all the threads first. And ask around the race track. It is not good.

Once people start offering to meet up somewhere(I am assuming to slug it out??) then the thread becomes a joke. All that does is make grown men look like junior high boys challenging each other to a fight on the play ground. JMO If that wasn't what was meant then ignore me.

Not at all, fighting is a kids game. Too old for that crap. It is simple when you write something you leave out crap. He is local and had offered to help with the motor. He thinks that because Scott said it. It is true. In person I can show him my videos of the motor dyno all the way through the start up again today.

So I am sorry if it came off that way. in person you know you can get the facts more clearly.

Look at his post, he said he was going to offer help. Then jumped on the Dyno band wagon. Once again, sorry if I came off that way.

Not the first time I misread someone's post...won't be the last.Sorry.

yes I was going to help you but when you posted my pm in the forum that's what pissed me off. that made me think wow this guy is really trying to start shit. then I called Scott to bitch him out on this deal and he said wait phucker don't you want my side of the story so I said sure. so he tells me his side . I really didn't want to get involved I just pm ed you to find out why you were bashing someone that was spending 2 days on your motor dyno time and all to make it right I thought that was cool of him. oooya when and someone gives you free gaskets don't go posting it on a forum where his boss can see it :roll: Danny my be jobless come Monday :( . good luck with your motor and remember to put the right plugs in it :P

Hey, sorry about putting your post out there. This is why I gave you my #. This forum stuff is a B itch. Danny does not work there anymore, atleast that is what they tell me. Yes he spent the time and I am greatful if it works. It is how we got to this point that sucks. I put those plugs in to load it on a trailer. Car was hurt long before that. I had 3 melted plugs. I would post pics on here but just want to end this and move on. You can see them anytime you would like along with videos from day 1. I am sure Dyno-flo and Scott are good people. I will keep my opinions to myself from now on. Thanks for the civil responce. I Like all the opinions and I do appreciate Scott's effort in fixing the motor. Once again thanks for your reply.

Just took the car for a drive. It fired right up. It is overdriven 12.5% and it ran great for the 2 miles I drove it. I did nothing to it except install it in car complete. When I got back the plug wires seemed extremely hot I have the headers wrapped and have plug sleeves on and they were still smoking hot. Temp gun with engine running read 1500 degrees. I dont know if this is normal or not. Anyways It seems to run real good. Thanks Scott and Dynoflo for fixing this isuue. He seems to be a stand up guy, regardless of what this thread says. I appriciate the effort and time. Regardless of what you think.

That needs to be tuned,but I will leave it at that,maybe Scott can swing by and hook you up?

Tuned how? Scott tuned it on the dyno and I am in the same town, so settings should stay the same, right? If headers were not wrapped and plugs have heat boots, they would melt. I had a 427 bbc spinning the blower at 25% over and never got this hot. Could it be that it is a 540. Just trying to learn and some people think that if you dont know this stuff you should not own it. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Need to learn some how. Scott did right by me. But I think that is it for our doing business. So I will need to find a good shop here in Vegas to tune it, any suggestion?

its lean or timing is off would be my guess. I hope you rechecked the timing once in the car 90% of the time it will be different then dyno

No I did not check it. Last time I checked it and called him to change it from 38 degrees to like 32 or 34 he said dont touch it. So it seems I am damned if i do and damned if i dont. So I will try to discuss it with the builder, but he says he has went over this with me for atotal of 6 hours according to his post. I just need to take it somewhere and have it tune and I am trying to learn but was insulted for admitting I dont know alot. This is why i paid a professional to build it. But I know enough to know exhaust is never suppose to be 1500 degrees with a heat gun coming off the headers that are wrapped at a idle. But I can't say anything or some people on here think I am ungreatful . I am sure you did not know everything when you got started. But from the post you leave , you seem to know alot. So thanks for your responce. I agree it is off butis it timing or jets. I will leave it to the pros. Just like I did last time. Changed nothing from original build and tune until the motor blew my radiator apart. But he did step up my rebuild it he says. i guess the bearings were bad. This doesnt explain the water in the motor. Thanks for listening.

A rich condition at idle will cause this due to the unburned fuel still burning inside the headers,or a late burn due to a retarded timing condition,these can both be caused by several different factors,you need to get this looked at by a pro..

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Hey, Thanks to both of you. I will find a tuner here in vegas to take my car to. Timing is 38 drgrees and I will check the jets sizes, idle mixture screws are out 1 turn on all corners. That is all I know at this point. thanks again guys. I am learning. But will take it to the pros. Scott did a great thing by fixing my motor. He only tunes on the dyno and not when the motor is in the car. Besides, I think he is more the engine builder than a tuner of customers cars. Which is probably less of a headache, lol So if anyone knows a good tuner of supercharged motors in Las Vegas I sure would appreciate it.

Tuner?
 

LHR!?
Later
G 8)

Re: Tuner?
 

LHR? Is that love hate relationship?

Pure hate on my part.

With 6 hours of phone time, yea right. I wouldn't spend 6 hours on the phone with a girl to get laid. So I think he is a liar. Try 10 minutes, and he said dont touch my tune. EGO.

Anyways, cars exhaust is hot as hell. Taking to a shop in Boulder City, this guy I was told knows his way around blower motors. So hopefully this guy can fix the tune.

The heat can also be caused by the wrong cam in a blower engine.

Update, sold motor to someone. They had it rebuilt and it had none of the parts I paid for in it. Hopefully this douche Scott is dead, he is a con artist. Drugs will do that to a person.

Sorry to hear that but glad nobody got hurt by that grenade.