dyno flo
 

i hade a feeling you were going to name dyno-flo[ scott] i hade a 434 built by him they sent me a large base circle cam with it . not knowing it at the time tried to install it, it was hitting on the rods. so i called him about it and it turned out that i was the asshole. we had some words, i bought a small bc came from comp. dyno flo took 3 months to credit my credit card. when i put motor in car got everything hooked up ready to run poured collant into it it started leaking out of a couple freeze plugs. had to take it all back out to replace those. its been a few years now only about couple thousand miles thow, it seems to be ok. i would never buy another motor from them though...........ken

Man am I glad I read this I have been dealing with dyno flo and getting ready to have them build me a $10,000 aluminum short block but I have been hesitant just on acount of the high price tag. I think I will look else where.

ooohhhhhhhhh now that had to hurt......"Thou shall reap what thou sow"...

dyno flo
 

mr dew custom. if i were you i would let him know the reason why. if everyone does this maybe he will have better customer relations and have some kind of quality control.......ken

Good point, tell them why you nixed the deal.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW ONE BIG THING!!!!---IF THE RODS CAME LOOSE THEN WHY IN THIS WORLD WOULD YOU JUST REPLACE THE BARE BLOCK!!!!THE RODS WEREN'T DAMAGED/ OR THE CRANK WAS NOT SCORED OR NICKED/ OR THE PISTONS WERE NOT SCRAPED ON THE SIDES/ OR DID THE PISTONS HIT THE VALVES- :evil: :evil: ---COME ON GUYS -LETS GET REAL AND DOWN TO EARTH :? :? ------THE LOWLIFES OWE AN ENGINE ON THIS DEAL- :lol: -PERIOD--AND IF THEY GET AWAY WITH IT THEN THE BUYER IS TO BLAME FOR NOT GOING AFTER THEM!!!! :oops: :oops: :oops:MAN--I FEEL BETTER NOW :roll: :roll:

Lively,

I totally understand where your coming from, but on the other side of the coin, I can also understand the cut and run idea.

Sometimes it is better to cut your losses than it is to fight with a POS like Scott.

I commend Donn for the way he handled this thread.

I will say, I will never use dynoflo and if ever asked I will surely let anyone know about Donn's experience as well as the others that have posted about dynoflo (google it) you will be surprised at the amount of unhappy people there are with Scott and dynoflo.

Iagree with Chevyguy, its better to get something rather than nothing!!!!!!

Fastbowtie, here are your answers on my engine. #1Dont know what happened to original bolts that Reher/Morrison put in, they must have been the only 2 bolts left on the tray when he got done assembling the motor and he didnt realize what they were for and grabbed two gm bolts.I know for a fact the adapter is the last thing he puts on. #2 He did not put a new adapter on he used the same one. #3 Did not see the oil pressure before i shut it off, after my burnout when i started backing up and saw oil i immediatly shut it off got out to see what the problem was. #4 The filter was not on the engine nor was it primed, it never is and that has always been ok. #5 I dont think he was aware of any bolt size difference or he would have put the right size in. He is always pretty anal about everything. I have used this guy for 3 years, thats why i used him! #6 His shop is 15 minutes from my house or the track. Icalled him as soon as i got back to the pits for advice not to bi$$h, he first words were i should have tightened those bolts my self (with an attitude) and gave me no advice! In my opinion i payed him to build the motor and i should not have to go back and tighten any bolts.

Davis You are correct if you paid him to build the motor there should not be any reason for you to have to check any bolt after recieving the motor unless stated by the builder when you picked it up. If he installed the adapter then he is responcible for it being loose due to the wrong bolts .
Which in turn lit the fuse on your time bomb.

Apparently after installing the washers you didn't see a loss of pressure so you must have figured no harm no foul and made the passes that night. But you did lose a large amount of oil so the bottom end if anyway possible should have been checked, but since your builder didn't tell you that you felt it was ok.
9 passes is not much runtime and you relying only on his word, you didn't know better and ran it.
People do make mistakes, everyone does. But how they handle themselves after is what makes them an honest person.

Gotta go for now but I can ad more later if ya like .

Donn

Re: dyno flo
 

Will do :wink: But now I have to find a new builder. Would like to have someone close by to deal with in person just in case of any problems. any know some good in north Texas?

Lively
I don't care for the deal either, but I did not make the deal the owner of the motor did.
But as we all know, deals can change. He made this deal so he could get his motor back together promptly, but now he was informed he has to ship the damaged block first and it will take up to 3 months to receive the new one.
That's pretty funny since they talked the other day.

Scott Slotten of DynoFlo told the owner of the motor to just bring the block to him in person and he could leave with a new one.
I geuss thats the good thing about being over 1500 mile away, you know the other person won't do that.
At this time all I think all the motor will need is 1 rod 1 piston, block and the verdict is out on the crank at this time.
But at this time nothing is written in stone on any of this Nightmare.
In a perfect world the owner should and would receive A New bottom end and I would receive an apology for the crap he has said to me & about me to others.
So Scott I know your reading all of this so you really need to do something for damage control cause this isn't going away and will only get worse.
Satelite Radio has alot of listeners and so do our posts!


Donn Waters

Donn for what its worth,why don't you post it on Racing Junk and try to sell the engine and start all over and have one built local

I'd sell that B!tch on RJ of coarse a post is no good without pictures

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^^^^^^^ good one Perry

:idea: THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT IDEA-DONN---ONE SLIGHTLY USED ENGINE/NEVER DRIVEN BY AN OLD LADY EVEN OUT OF THE GARAGE/NEEDS SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS AND A LITTLE PREP WORK!!!!!CHEAP :cry: :cry:

that's the best idea yet topsportman.there's a huge differents between a engine builder and a engine assembler and want we have here is assembler that can't even do that right.dynoflo you need to quit and go pump gas if you need to no were the gas goes we can help you.i just what to no how's the air smell in you colon.i know just like the engines you assemble.i have a old torque wrench if you need to know what one looks like.

When you list yours Donn would you post mine also....I am now open for business at lotsof454sss racer engines and I have a new strategy..You do not have to blow these up as I build them that way for you...Just send me the money and an idea of how you want it blown.....here is my latest build.....it is a 947 1/2 at 1900hp


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lotsof454 did it have a oil leak because i don't see anything wroung?

Yeah, looks just like....well you know whos engines

engine builders
 

i agree 100% with dewcustom. keep your engine builder somewhat local. i live in pa, dyno-flo was in las vegas. they give me a good rate of 400.00 to ship motor to me but a local trucking company was going to charge me around600 plus to ship it back to las vegas. defenitly stay local, that shipping money can buy some nice parts for you...........ken

yeah, like a good torque wrench.... :lol:
obviously, a tool dyno flow, has not heard about yet... :shock:

Well, Scott Slotten of DYNOFLO I gave you my apology Friday and I am very sure you have read it.
Now I have waited all weekend and not a peep from you. I know your cat didn't eat your mouse due to the fact you have been posting ads.
I've been pretty nice until now and believe it or not all the people that have posted have been as well. Especially since You have accused me of Sabotage, gross incompetence, being uneducated, and just plain Sucking at being a mechanic.
Re-read all the posts I've made concerning you and tell me what I've said bad or untruthful.

George Douklias, the owner of the motor is not asking you for this, I am!

But You need to step up and take care of him as well!
Myself and just about everybody else feel you should step up and give the man ALL the parts he needs and not just make a token gesture of a block.
You have made sarcastic comments about how I've went to C.S.I lengths to doccument this motor. I doccumented it like I would anything else I do and Im very glad I did now.
It's true you did make the gesture to send the motor back and you would rebuilt it, but due to how you have handled all of this like I said before, That is Not an Option.
It's true your buisness is larger than mine but thats not what makes a good buisness man or a good person for that fact Dealing with the public and stepping up when your company has a problem is what makes a good buisness man. I've given you time & plenty of it and up until now if you think I've been bashing you or starting a Witch hunt your mistaken. I guess its time now to start one.
So if anyone would like all the info for posts on other sites feel free to let me know and I will provide you with all the pics, emails and all the info you need .LET THE HUNT BEGIN. :twisted:

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Even the best engine builders make mistakes.....
BUT if they dont stand behind what they build and if in fact they forgot to tighten the rods bolts they should give you full replacment.
Breaking your motor at the track is one thing,breaking it before you get to the track because of an "Oppps" is another..
I would have just sent the motor back and then worked it out before posting it on here for public bashing , at this point you have tried to hurt his reputation which is only warrented if he didnt want to make good.

Mitch,

Donn did try to make things right, and the guy tells him he is uneducated and basically to go pound sand up his backside.
No bashing even occured until the 'builder" refused to apologize or take any responsibility.

All the "builder" did was to make excuses and claim his shop NEVER makes mistakes....my ass, everyonr makes mistakes, some people are just too ignorant or trying to hide it to admit when they do.

Re read the entire thread and you will see nothing was even said about the 'builder" until after he was given every opportunity to make things right.

I AGREE - :roll: --THE BUILDER SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO SETTLE THIS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING :evil: NOT AFTER HE GETS PUT ON PUBLIC DISPLAY :? !!!TO TELL SOMEONE THEY ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED AND TO NOT WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT DID HAPPEN TO THE MOTOR WAS JUST PLAIN BAD PUBLIC RELATIONS!! :cry: :cry: LET THE BIULDER GO CRY SOMEWHERE ELSE--HE SCREWED UP JUST REPLACE IT~~~ :idea: START HIRING PEOPLE THAT CAN AND WILL USE A TORQUE WRENCH AND DOUBLE CHECK THERE OWN WORK :idea: ---THEY WILL END UP ALOT BETTER OFF AND WON'T END UP HERE!!!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

mitchz,you no clue in what went do with dynoflo.the guy is a engine assembler and not good at and far from a builder.never made a mistake please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.look at all the treads on this post and all the other post through the forum and then come back and tell don how to deal with it.he never even named the bone head intell the last post that's over a week of post before he name them. i thinks that more then enough time and know it's time to show the public the facts.

Re: dyno flo
 

Sunset Racecraft ...

Appropriate preloads are specified for each ARP bolt. These preloads can be attained in a connecting rod by applying proper torque using a torque wrench or by measuring the amount of stretch in the bolt using a stretch gauge (it is known that a bolt stretches in proportion to the tension in it). The torque method is sometimes inaccurate because of the uncertainty in the coefficient of friction at the interface between the bolt and the rod.the bolts can be check to see if they were ever tightened by arp!!!!!!!it's a no brainer to most but some are blind to the facts.

I have gone thru a few problems like this with engine builders, some BIG names.
At we had a 565 with break in time and 3 runs grenade and throw a rod destroy one cylinder, junk went into the cam valley, snaped the camshaft pin drive and bolt and you get the rest.
At first the builder was in disbeleaf, then he wanted the whole deal sent back, he deduced a rod bolt had broke.
he wanted me to buy a new crank, two rods, they wanted to fix the block etc etc.
I told him it was his responsibility to provide a new block and all the broken parts to be replaced.
it took 3 months and some threats of lawsuits to make it right, but they finally did.
I had to pay the freight both ways though, the engine was $17,000 new
Al

Fastbowtie handled this in a very professional manner. He took the high road. To bad the builder did not. Bad commercial he should make it right.

i myself just called dynoflo last week on 1 of his ford 347 stroker short block assemblys as they are a great deal we spoke for quite a while seemed like nice peaple was ready to place an order this week after reading this thread i will be checking elswhere just my 2 cents

oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that had to hurt again......Well "DYNOFLOP" how many is that you have lost that we all know of in the last week and a half :?: uh.... 2 I know....and am sure more, and I guess this is someone elses fault too......Can you put a torque wrench on a lost order and tell how much that is in lost revenue....I tried to tell you to call PACE TRAILERS and see if they wanted on this forum again.....

Dyno-Flo defends their position.
 

this is a short block built in 2005 that the customer had a person that he refers to as a mechanic build the engine, and install it in his vehicle. I received the call about this about 10 days ago. First of all, after 16 months, there is nothing that I can say or do. Please, that is just silly. Most guys won't even talk to you about a problem after 30 days let alone 16 months. Secondly, the engine was completely assembled by this " mechanic" not a shop. Somebody did something somewhere. He did try to tell me that we didn't torque the bolts. I have two seperate people torque the bolts on every shortblock. This is specifically to avoid any issues like this from occuring. Although, now we will also include with every shortblock.a note that verifies that every bolt was double checked, but for them to also check them, not because we have issues, but because customers will try to blame anyone who touches an engine besides themselves. Let me clarify quite clearly that we are not some fly by night scammer working out of his house or some back alley shop. WE ARE A QUITE LEGITIMATE, 10,000SQFT PRO RACE SHOP, WITH MACHINE SHOP, CNC MACHINE, DYNO FACILITY, AND RETAIL SHOWROOM [SPEEDSHOP]. WE HAVE OVER 100 DART BLOCKS IN STOCK, 2 MILLION IN INVENTORY ALL HARDCORE, NO BLEMS OR JUNK. i PERSONALLY DYNO EVERY COMPLETE ENGINE PRIOR TO SHIPPING. I HAVE NEVER LOST AN ENGINE IN 8 MINUTES, I HAVE NEVER LOST AN ENGINE DUE TO LOOSE ROD BOLTS. THIS DYNO RUNS BETWEEN 3-6 ENGINES A WEEK THAT WE BUILD IN HOUSE. I HAVE DYNOED OVER 1000 ENGINES SINCE OPENING IN 1995, AND THESE FACTS ARE STILL THE SAME AND TRUE. WE ARE NOT PERFECT. BUT WE ARE ABOUT THE MOST HONEST JOINT IN THE COUNTRY, WE PROVIDE SERIOUS VALUE AND HORSEPOWER THAT NO ONE CAN MATCH FOR EVEN NEAR THE PRICE. SOME GUYS CLAIM TO HAVE SET TRACK RECORDS, YES WE HAVE TOO, BUT WE ALSO HAVE WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2005 IN IHRA. COUNTLESS TRACK CHAMPIONSHIPS IN CIRCLETRACK, AND DRAG. WE HAVE TOP SPEED RECORDS ON THE WATER IN VARIOUS CLASSES. SILLY ALLEGATIONS THAT WE ARE SCAMMERS, IS JUST IGNORANT. as for some of the idiots on here. 3 in particular that seem to want to talk and talk. mike the belair boys, you are just pissed because you tried to screw me and didn't get away with it. by the way an ase tech means that you took a test that says you can swap alternators woopee!!!. hammer time, you've been talkin shit for a long time, yet you never bought anything. he says everyone sucks, and then always says to go to suncoast race engines. then there is dumb ass 11 second jay nakamura who bought an engine in in 2002 ran it until 2003, then decided to relash his valves for the first time since buying the engine and he crashed all the valves bending 13 pushrods breaking 2 and dropping a valve into a piston. he then claims that we don't know how to build an engine. by the way jay is also an ase "mechanic" I guess he failed the valve lashing portion of his test. NO ONE WHO EVER BOUGHT ANYTHING FROM US WILL EVER CLAIM HONESTLY THAT WE FAILED TO SHIP A DEAD HONEST PRODUCT PERIOD. i did see a post from a guy out of canada who mentions a laundry list of engine building sins including using a 427 crank in a 454 and such, he was not referring to us. IF YOU ARE NERVOUS ABOUT ONE OF OUR ENGINES, ORDER IT AND THEN COME ON DOWN TO WATCH IT RUN ON THE DYNO [after all it is las vegas] IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT WE'LL BUILD YOU ANOTHER. I HAVE NEVER HAD A GUY COME GET HIS MOTOR WHO WAS DISAPOINTED. STILL NERVOUS, BUY THE PARTS AT THE BEST PRICES AROUND AND HAVE YOUR GUY DO THE WORK. no we don't tell people how to do it over the phone, we get paid for that. ANY QUESTIONS CAN BE DIRECTED TO ME. I AM SCOT SLOTTEN [NOT SOME LAME ALIAS LIKE THESE GUTLESS ANONYMOUS ACCUSERS] OWNER OF DYNO-FLO. 702-567-3035 SHOP HOURS 8A-6P M-F PACIFIC TIME AND MOST SAT 9-5.

ok you said a bunch of crap now replace the guys engine like a man.if you realy know what the hell you were talking about it would be clear that you screwed up.stop drinking beer and come back to reality.if you have all this inventory then it shouldn't be hard to replace your screw up.i have seen alot of people loosen the rod bolts to blow up there motor lol!!!!!!!!!!!!i would give you my number but engine assemblers like you make me what to throw up.JUST BE A MAN AND MAKE IT RIGHT

dyno-flo has another point
 

Hi, Just another note. I don't surf the forums. When someone wants to call me out in a forum, they need to tell me that they are calling me out. Yes, I am an asshole. No appology needed. It happens easily for me after I answer the same question 5 times in a row from the same guy. That is why I usually have the nice guy answer the phone. He puts up with more stuff before getting impatient than I do. What fastbowtie didn't do aside from call a public meeting requesting my response and not telling me about it, is he put himself in the middle of a deal that was fine without him. As well, he has now made accusations on line that he has done purely for his own ego, not thinking of his customer's needs. As for hurting my business, yes, these ignoramouses start smack on here without any credibility and their names are held up there like they are jesus the engine builder. As for my credibility, I have been doing this for 7 days a week for almost 12 years in the same city, for a living. I don't get weekends off, I don't work short shifts. When it comes to these engines I have been there and done that. Many people don't know as much as they need to about these monsters and then try to do it themselves. I can tell you, that in my shop, I can do everything here from machine the block to coat the pistons, port the heads and dyno the engines. I design these combos also. There is very little about my engines that anyone could know better than me. So when I speak in my defense it should carry a bit more weight than a parts changer or garage mechanic, or some guy on the fence watching with his mouth open and nothing smart to say. Yes, it is my business, yes these threads do damage, but most of my customers have better things to do than this so they don't see this, because when they do they swarm to my defense and call me to let me know about these things. that is how I found this out today. have fun guys Scot

im going to get some popcorn..... :D

signed:
the guy from canada :lol:

scott your right we all are just a bunch of back yard engine builders. but you have 12yrs and i have 20yr in the biz and if you think treating people like this is good for biz then you need a tractor to pull realy hard.HERE IS A GOOGLE SEARCH of some of the people you screwed.#1WWW.LVFBODY.COM#2WWW.SILVERSTATESTANGS.C OM#3RACEPAGES.COM#4WWW.RACINGJUNK.COM and this is only a few of the sites.they all most be back yard guys to.

Well Scott I have to admit your a pretty smooth talker :lol: Lets start by saying Yes we did purchase A COMPLETE SHORTBLOCK from you in late 2005 and it took over 3 months to receive it in early 2006. All I had to do to Your bottom end was install the oil pump which we purchased locally and bolt the oilpan on which we purchased from you.
The motor was then bagged & sealed until the Brodix cylinder heads & intake arrived from brodix .Then we sent the cylinder heads & intake to Matt Helton at H.P.S for all the final top end work.
Once we got back the top end, I, Donn Waters installed the top end to Your Shortblock and all of the rest of the parts to make the engine Complete.
Once completed the engine was primed and bagged for a second time due to the fact the Camaro it was going in was being finished.
Once the Camaro got back to my shop for the final time I installed the engine in Mr Douklias Camaro only to find out we had a header Clearance problem so the headers were shipped back to Lemons where Dan Lemons took care of the problem once the headers returned and everything else was finished. In the meantime the motor was primed & sealed I do have several members of Racing Junk as well as other people that can attest to this.
When everything was ready the motor was primed for the 3rd time then started and I will have to admit it sounded pretty damn good until it ate itself 8 minutes later.
Well thats the complete story guys.
I did NOT touch or alter YOUR bottom end and accusing me of it is pretty LAME on your part .
I have tried to take the high road on all of this and let You Scott Slotten of Dynoflo settle the motor deal with Mr Douklias.
All I was asking for was an apology for what you said to me over the phone before you hungup on me and for what you said about me to other people in emails.
Now all your post tells me is that you can't admit your company can make a mistake, and the only thing Hammertime said in any of this was give a second option to someone.
Bottom line is your Company made a mistake and are too full of yourself to admit that mistakes do happen, instead you feel it nessasary to belittle others.
I myself would have been more than happy to end this with an apology. But as it seems by reading your post you are unwilling to do that for me.
Now all of this is in the open and it's gonna take more than that to make it go away.
Replace Mr douklias motor or at least give him the parts needed to repair it and we will send you all the damaged parts back in return.
And give me an apology.

SLOWMAN----DO YOU NOW RELIZE HOW DUMB YOU MUST BE!!!---ACCORDING TO SCOTT YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF CUSTOMERS WHO GRIPE ABOUT THERE ENGINES!!!--YOU JUST LET THEM ROT INSTEAD :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: --NOBODY HAS EVER SAID SCOTT THAT ALL YOUR ENGINES ARE JUNK---THEY AREN'T---I HAVE SEEN GOOD ONES THAT COME OUT OF YOUR SHOP-- BUT---WHAT WE ARE MAD ABOUT IS YOU WON'T DO THE RIGHT THING HERE AND BE A MAN AND GIVE THE GUY THE PARTS OR ENGINE TO FIX THIS PROBLEM!!!!!!NOT ALL BACK YARD BUILDERS ARE DUMB AND DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING---I HAVE MADE MISTAKES ON MY OWN BUT I WILL FIX IT TOOO--WILL YOU???? :oops: :oops: :oops:

Wow alot was said while I was typing, I geuss I must be a little slow :roll:
Mr Scot You were aware and had a chance to respond privately or publicly when this was in the general forum before your company was even mentioned.
And as for our Phone conversation it was on the 4th time I asked you and implied you were skating the issue after that you started raising your voice.
By the 6th time I asked you the same question & try to get a real answer thats when you were screaming at me told me you would do nothing and finally hung up on me after I Yelled back and said ( Listen A$$h%*e Your starting to PI$$ me off.
I even apologized for it in a public forum.
If your accusing me and the others of being a backyard mechanics, thats fine go ahead.
As a matter of fact I think I did get my start in the back yard OR was it the side yard I dont remember anyway I would consider myself a Good Ole Boy that tries to do right by my customers .

So Scott, since you have 12 years experience and since you have said your shop NEVER makes mistakes, then why do you have post after post of people that have had similar issues with you and your shop?????? (not just from this site, and from many years)

Why were all of your rod bolts finger tight?

Why do you come here and make excuses like you did with me when I messaged you and just asked for straight answers, which you never did do?

I mean if you do so much and are so good, then why not admit one of your schleps may have made a mistake and do what is right?

That is all any of us has asked yet you show your true colors by coming here and making more excuses and continuing to bash us for asking you to tell the truth.

You are a real piece of work sir, and as an admitted asshole, you need to go back to lawn mower repair.